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#1 2012-04-06 04:50:11

Brian Iannone
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Fastest GPU for AutoPano GPU Acceleration

I have a few questions regarding the GPU accelerated rendering in AutoPano Pro/Giga.

1. What is the fastest GPU currently available that would speed up rendering in AutoPano?
2. Would multiple GPUs help?
3. How large of a difference does even using a fast GPU make? In other words, what speed improvement does GPU acceleration offer compared to CPU-only rendering?

Thanks!


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#2 2012-04-06 07:25:08

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Re: Fastest GPU for AutoPano GPU Acceleration

Welcome to the forum...

As far as I know APP/APG does not use the GPU for rendering.

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#3 2012-04-06 08:46:42

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Re: Fastest GPU for AutoPano GPU Acceleration

I can confirm that. CPU is needed not yet GPU for rendering.

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#4 2012-04-06 10:37:42

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Re: Fastest GPU for AutoPano GPU Acceleration

Thanks Andrew and Alexandre. smile

So then, what does AutoPano use the GPU for? Under the settings, it looks like it uses the OpenGL capabilities for something referred to as "GPU processing," but I'm not certain as to what that specifically means.


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#5 2012-04-06 10:46:01

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Re: Fastest GPU for AutoPano GPU Acceleration

GPU is used to accelerate the editor. It is really faster this way ( with some tools only available when this mode is on ).
It is not yet used to accelerate the rendering ( production of the panorama ).

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#6 2012-04-06 11:10:51

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Re: Fastest GPU for AutoPano GPU Acceleration

Okay, I see. Would you happen to know exactly how much faster it becomes?

I'm trying to understand if using a GPU that provides the maximum OpenGL performance will offer that much of a significant speed improvement in the editor.


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#7 2012-04-06 15:42:28

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Re: Fastest GPU for AutoPano GPU Acceleration

Brian Iannone wrote:

Okay, I see. Would you happen to know exactly how much faster it becomes?

I'm trying to understand if using a GPU that provides the maximum OpenGL performance will offer that much of a significant speed improvement in the editor.

Hi!

Even an older GPU speeds the editor up remarkably compared to non-GPU mode in earlier versions - besides you anyway can use some tools only with GPU assistance, as Alexandre said already.
Interesting is: what kind of GPU is preferable?

best, Klaus

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#8 2012-04-07 01:53:23

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Re: Fastest GPU for AutoPano GPU Acceleration

klausesser wrote:

Hi!

Even an older GPU speeds the editor up remarkably compared to non-GPU mode in earlier versions - besides you anyway can use some tools only with GPU assistance, as Alexandre said already.
Interesting is: what kind of GPU is preferable?

best, Klaus

Thanks for the info Klaus!

I am indeed interested in knowing what GPU would be preferable. For example, which would be the fastest that would offer the best speed improvement in the editor; an AMD Radeon HD 7970, Nvidia GTX 680, an Nvidia Quadro 6000, etc.?


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#9 2012-04-07 16:47:41

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Re: Fastest GPU for AutoPano GPU Acceleration

Brian Iannone wrote:

klausesser wrote:

Hi!

Even an older GPU speeds the editor up remarkably compared to non-GPU mode in earlier versions - besides you anyway can use some tools only with GPU assistance, as Alexandre said already.
Interesting is: what kind of GPU is preferable?

best, Klaus

Thanks for the info Klaus!

I am indeed interested in knowing what GPU would be preferable. For example, which would be the fastest that would offer the best speed improvement in the editor; an AMD Radeon HD 7970, Nvidia GTX 680, an Nvidia Quadro 6000, etc.?

I don´t know - im my eyes the editor´s speed is good anyway with a GPU acceleration. Don´t think it will come remarkably faster
putting in an expensive super-GPU.

Most interesting it would be to use some stacked GPU cards for rendering - as in 3D applications . . coolcool

THIS is where the real speed is . . and the money . . big_smile

I mean APG on a good multiprocessor/multicore machine with sufficient RAM isn´t really slow anyway . . wink so i wouldn´t sell home and garden for overwhelming hardware . .

With "hundreds of gigapixels" i assume you better contact a mainframe . . wink - Cray or something . .

Another question will be: how would you display such panos? Print and install them along a riverbank or along a runaway on the next airport? You want it to be seen from the moon? smile

best, Klaus

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#10 2012-04-09 15:04:00

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Re: Fastest GPU for AutoPano GPU Acceleration

Brian, it depends on what projects you're planing to work, but in my experience even an old 9800GT is perfectly enough for the pano editor needs!

Currently, I would advise against investing in expensive GPU, at least until Autopano starts utilizing it for the final (actual) rendering.


Some of my panoramas, posted in the Autopano Pro flickr group.

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#11 2012-04-10 12:50:01

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Re: Fastest GPU for AutoPano GPU Acceleration

[bo] wrote:

Brian, it depends on what projects you're planing to work, but in my experience even an old 9800GT is perfectly enough for the pano editor needs!
Currently, I would advise against investing in expensive GPU, at least until Autopano starts utilizing it for the final (actual) rendering.

GPU will be more used in autopano v3 series but in the editor only. So the old 9800GT will probably not be enough for v3.
Nevertheless, you won't need any fancy GPU : anything costing 150 USD now is good enough.

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#12 2012-04-10 12:58:35

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Re: Fastest GPU for AutoPano GPU Acceleration

Alexandre, is there any fundamental reason why GPU is used for editor only in APG?

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#13 2012-04-10 13:45:55

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Re: Fastest GPU for AutoPano GPU Acceleration

Alexandre, if GPU will still be editor-only, why the need for faster GPU? Maybe that concerns only large multi-gigapixel projects?


Some of my panoramas, posted in the Autopano Pro flickr group.

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#14 2012-04-10 14:31:41

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Re: Fastest GPU for AutoPano GPU Acceleration

Michael Ezra wrote:

Alexandre, is there any fundamental reason why GPU is used for editor only in APG?

Yes, there are some real reason behind : GPU are hard to use well ( with good scalability ). Moreover, our algorithms like anti-ghost which are state-of-the-art in the domain and are not easy to convert to GPU language. In the current state, for final rendering, only 30% of the process could really benefit of GPU power.

[bo] wrote:

Alexandre, if GPU will still be editor-only, why the need for faster GPU? Maybe that concerns only large multi-gigapixel projects?

Not only gigapixels smile You'll see when we'll show autopano v3.

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#15 2012-04-11 04:27:47

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Re: Fastest GPU for AutoPano GPU Acceleration

ohh, well, then no need to get the 680GTX, better to invest in faster controllers and harddrives, since the ram is maxed out.

It would have been great to have seen better GPU utilizion and improved HDR/color in v3, but please make the later happen, PLEASE!!!! :-)

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#16 2012-04-11 09:29:52

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Re: Fastest GPU for AutoPano GPU Acceleration

Thank you all very much for the information! smile


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#17 2012-04-15 10:13:03

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Re: Fastest GPU for AutoPano GPU Acceleration

I have to say within many sectors of the industry, namely Adobe PS, Premiere, Davinci Resolve etc.... GPU accelerated performance (CUDA) has had a dramatic impact on both performance of intensive applications and the availability of that performance to a much wider audience smile of which I think APG would benefit from its usage ?

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#18 2012-04-15 12:11:19

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Re: Fastest GPU for AutoPano GPU Acceleration

Welcome to the forum...

Chatwin234 wrote:

I have to say within many sectors of the industry, namely Adobe PS, Premiere, Davinci Resolve etc.... GPU accelerated performance (CUDA) has had a dramatic impact on both performance of intensive applications and the availability of that performance to a much wider audience smile of which I think APG would benefit from its usage ?

Two comments:

1. CUDA is proprietary technology from Nvidia.

2. Kolor takes the OpenGL approach and, although you may not be aware of it, APP/APG already makes use of the GPU in the Panorama Editor offering a significant performance advantage and feature enhancements - but not (yet?) when rendering.

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#19 2012-04-15 17:53:32

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Re: Fastest GPU for AutoPano GPU Acceleration

I would suggest buying a card with the most stable drivers. GPU tech changes so fast, that the drivers are notoriously buggy and cause applications to crash.

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#20 2012-04-15 22:32:15

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Re: Fastest GPU for AutoPano GPU Acceleration

Thank you Mediavets, Your completely right, AGP does have GPU acceleration and I have to say I have no issues at all with performance, in fact I would go as far to say very, very good, But my point was for those who have made use of the CUDA offerings (all be it proprietary) even modestly price Nvidia GP Cards can offer a significant performance increase?

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#21 2012-04-16 08:50:27

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Re: Fastest GPU for AutoPano GPU Acceleration

To Chatwin234. We will never go for CUDA, because it is proprietary. If we are going to use more GPU power, it will be through OpenCL for cross-hardware concerns. BTW : we already made test with OpenCL : it is really good.

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