Sure, with the help of the control point editor.
See this video for an introduction to this tool : http://www.autopano.net/wiki-en/action/ … esentation

Klaus : read my message : 'introduction to control point editor', I never said 'advanced video tutorial to control point editor'. Of course, to get every aspect of this tool would make a hour long video.

Nevertheless, I don't agree with you. The case, you've send me, I spent 5 minutes at most to make it perfect geometrically. Then some photoshop trick to get the sky right because of all color issues in the shooting.

AlexandreJ wrote:

Klaus : read my message : 'introduction to control point editor', I never said 'advanced video tutorial to control point editor'. Of course, to get every aspect of this tool would make a hour long video.

Nevertheless, I don't agree with you. The case, you've send me, I spent 5 minutes at most to make it perfect geometrically. Then some photoshop trick to get the sky right because of all color issues in the shooting.

I´m, sure you can make it, Alexandre. But the point is: I, as a user of your product, must be able to do it also!

Just knowing that items exist doesn´t help me - i need to know how to use them and what they do in detail.

Imagine i´d give you an 8x10" camera when you have to do a still-life or architectural shot. Just telling you where to put in the filmholder and informing you the camera is able to do a Scheimpflug, indirect shifts, axial-rotation and basis-tilting of the lens-board,
and calculating DOF on the sliders as well as calulating bellow-extension factor for exposure . . . and some others . .

For me, being a photographer, it´s easy: i learned how to handle these things in every detail and each situation.

Imagine i would place you behind a control desk in an sound studio - let´s say a Harrison console. Then i show you where all the knobs are and let you alone. Do you think you would be able to record something? I doubt
you would be able even to start the recording - not to speak of making a very good sound using all the fine tools the console gives you.

Fo me, being a former recording engineer, it´s easy - even when i´m not familiar with a new console i´m familiar with the basic structures and after an hour can do work with it.

So: it´s fine, YOU can do it . . But THAT does help me nothing! What would help me - and others, i´m absolutely sure - would be a DETAILED description HOW to use the features in which situation.

Your product is the only application i work with that has a - to be honest - only sketchy documentation. You leave it to the users to explore everything.

The answers you gave me - which i appreciate of course - didn´t help me at all to deal with the issues, sorry.

So i actually use a combination of PTGui and APG to get my job done. PTGui stitches perfectly the structured part using it´s very good and not too sensitive CP-detection and i use APG to import the xml-files for the sky - this way i can avoid to use the optimization.

Today i was told - by another user - to try not checking the box: "force images to be in one panorama" or so. The hope is to get a good stitch for the structures and to have the sky-images in a different panorama.
This way i hope not to have to use the optimization on the whole pano and get it all puzzled again.

best, Klaus

Not to get in the middle of your debate, but that video really doesn't help with the original question. Luckily, as Klaus mentioned, the kolor community is very willing and able to help in figuring out most problems (kolor team included).

That being said, since the question still hasn't been answered, I will try to rephrase it: Without starting over at the detection stage, is there a way to manually link 2 images? I know how to use the control point editor for the most part, but it appears that unless APP detects a link, there is no way to add the link or control points by using the control point editor. Please let me know if I have missed something or overlooked the button that allows me to do so.

gkaefer wrote:

jeradg wrote:

Not to get in the middle of your debate, but that video really doesn't help with the original question. Luckily, as Klaus mentioned, the kolor community is very willing and able to help in figuring out most problems (kolor team included).

That being said, since the question still hasn't been answered, I will try to rephrase it: Without starting over at the detection stage, is there a way to manually link 2 images? I know how to use the control point editor for the most part, but it appears that unless APP detects a link, there is no way to add the link or control points by using the control point editor. Please let me know if I have missed something or overlooked the button that allows me to do so.

I do not understand your lines at all.
"detection stage" ... is in my eyes: after loading the images and configuring the settings pressing the "detection" button. In result on right window the detected panorama is displayed.

If you than there press the control point editor on the right sides window at the detected pano you can add control points, delete control points etc.
If 2 neigbor images does not have a single control point than you can add them and than press the buttons (full) optimization. Then in result control points are detected and so the link between the images is created. There is no need to go to the left autopanorama window to start "detection" button.  In my example if no control points can bedetected because no pattern can be found (water, sky etc.) than you can hardlink the images. This is done in the CP editor too, klick mouse on first image and with right mouse button on first image than you can hardlink the firtst image to one of the neighbor images. So in result 4 artificial CP points are created linking the images.

Liebe Gruesse,
Georg

Thanks for the reply, but I dont understand your directions.

I am trying to link image 1 and 4, and when I right click this is the menu I get.

Im using autopano giga 2.6.2 final
and get the following screenshot by right mouse click on ONE image:

the hardlinking is more for images with no patterns like blue sky or water or white walls.
Georg

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