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Dear Kolor Team,
I know you probably work very hard at things and there are endless lists of requests for features.....but please...could you make features easier to implement....there are so many things that I would like to do but cannot because I do not posess the know how for programming code... xml,html...etc etc..the list goes on and on.
To me, as I am sure many others, programming is like a foreign language from a completely different planet put together then doubled...it maybe easy to some....but not to all.
I am a little dissapointed that after paying so much money (and it's alot) for Panotour Pro that we (your users/buyers/customers) have to change things within code to get them to work with features or do as we want (which stops me from doing them because I can't!) .....what's worrying me more is that I feel that all these features may/will be implemented (by a click here and there - simple I know) in version 2.0, that we will not get an update for as the updates stop in the 1.x versions, and we will end up having to pay more to upgrade to 2.0
Sorry...just felt like I had to have a rant and say something as I think some...not all ; ) ....forget how hard it can be for people who cannot program code......
One thing I have to say is thank god for the forum and the people who help so much on there....thankyou!!
In short for people who don't want to read all that......I want to be able to click on something to make it happen...not program code it to make it work!!!
RANT OVER! 
Thanks,
Neil.
Last edited by firefire (2012-03-02 10:07:11)
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Emm.. Rant on honey.. My needs are for more interactivity.. So frustrated over these past few days at not being able to get Shadowbox to work.. It has been seen to work but what is disappointing is the fact that their is a fix since Kolor have done it for others... To be honest, if ptp V2 has no great improvements I will look at easy pano since they seem to be progressing in this area.. I might download the trial and see if Shadowbox or Lightbox work.... I will hate to walk away from kolor but if others offer more of what I want then I will be forced to.. One main concern I have are the amount of times ptp has crashed..
Destiny..
Last edited by Destiny (2012-02-05 12:04:58)
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You tell me if I am not wrong…
http://www.easypano.com/Gallery/tourwea … start.html
Great full screen interactive map feature
Also Google map
Interactive 3D
Video streaming
YouTube
FLV and swf easy to include.
Music graphic
Nice thumb nave with quick reference
Special transitions and hotspot interactivity
Interactive fly-in images from a hotspot
Huge options to create your own templates and skins/buttons etc
Features are huge… Check out the media room, can turn the video of and on as well as the audio. Not sure about abut puppy dog or butteries but I can understand the merit in this.. I sure hope ptp V2 has something to inspire the imagination… No Mac version, its coming!..
Cranky Tired Destiny.. 
PS.. The car graphic is Terrible...!.... Shame..
Last edited by Destiny (2012-02-05 13:22:14)
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firefire wrote:
....forget how hard it can be for people who cannot program code......
Hi Neil, Destiny!
I know exactly what you mean . . 
Basically i´m in the same situation: i´m not familiar with coding.
BUT: before i got my driver´s license and took a ride with my car - i first had to learn how to drive a car and to get my driver´s license . . . . .
I realize that all these wonderful features the Kolor combination of apps provide make look pano-production very easy. And in fact it is!
I remember my first steps with the Apple QuicktimeVR Authoring Studio back in 1998 . . when i got in touch with that all. THAT was something . . . 
Photography in generall has become a very easy thing - and even more easily when it got digital. Buying a good camera and equipment nevertheless doesn´t mean
to get a good grip on photography . . . - there´s a lot more to learn when you want to gain more out of it.
The same thing it is with panorama-making.
The basics are easy - everyone can shoot a sphere and make it an interactive panorama. Having suceeded so far it surely becomes attractive to make more sophisticated presentations . . . . . and here it´s getting more and more challenging.
PanoTourPro is very well made GUI for KRPano - as far as that´s possible. If you want to dig deeper into - you have to get familiar with KRPano and XML.
Basically you wouldn´t need PTP at all - many people use alone KRPano to make their tours and put lots of features into which PTP doesn´t provide.
To be honest: very many features are gimmicks and absolutely boring. That´s a matter of taste in the end. I hate plans, maps, radar, helpscreens, flashing puppets and so on.
I will never allow them to appear in my panos.
"Keep it simple, straight" is my way to do things. And that´s what i tell my clients: The object itself, the visualized scene is what counts and what´s the visitor´s eyes
should be eager to explore - zillions of flashing things all over the screen don´t let that happen!
Many pano-tour makers´s photography is of rather mediocrely quality. Too often they try to hide that fact behind a firework of gimmicks happening on the screen -
and they believe visitors might not realize the photographical shortcomings. They´re wrong.
best, Klaus
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well...
1.000,-$ / 900,-€ for the studio package - thats like autopano giga + panotour pro...
(and thats a single user license, so if you're running a business with more emploeyeess....)
so you may expect more features...
Georg
PS: 3D Models creating extra 1600 $
walkthroughs tours extra 150$
...
Last edited by gkaefer (2012-02-05 14:28:27)
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gkaefer wrote:
well...
1.000,-$ / 900,-€ for the studio package - thats like autopano giga + panotour pro...
so you may expect more features...
Georg
Hi Georg!
You mean EasyPano? Is it THAT expensive? I watched Destiny´s link to EasyPano´s presentation - it´s "amateurish" looking, runs badly, stuttering even on my very fast system and connection (8-core MacPro with two Xeon-processors, 2 SSD, 8Tb HD and 16GB RAM, 32000 cable).
Not really impressing i´d say . .
best, Klaus
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klausesser wrote:
gkaefer wrote:
well...
1.000,-$ / 900,-€ for the studio package - thats like autopano giga + panotour pro...
so you may expect more features...
GeorgHi Georg!
You mean EasyPano? Is it THAT expensive? I watched Destiny´s link to EasyPano´s presentation - it´s "amateurish" looking, runs badly, stuttering even on my very fast system and connection (8-core MacPro with two Xeon-processors, 2 SSD, 8Tb HD and 16GB RAM, 32000 cable).
Not really impressing i´d say . .
best, Klaus
according their homepage contains the studio ultimate package the "autopano giga" and the "panotour pro" - so the highest versions of their products.
they also have a Studio standard for 250$ and for 250€, the studio ultimate is available for 999.95$ and for 899.95€
so why different conversion rates ??? very professional...
they also have the products seperate: the Tourweaver for Windows costs 199.95$ and the Tourweaver for Mac costs 699.95%
well perhaps they did roll the dices....
Georg
Last edited by gkaefer (2012-02-05 14:38:18)
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Hi Klaus & Georg, all that aside.....it should be a little easier to change buttons/themes...I know everyone says it's easy to do...but I just don't find it easy! Maybe it's me being a little stupid...but I just want to produce a nice looking tour...I really don't want to have to learn things I have never understood in the first place! lol
I have a client that actually wants the interactivity within the tour to use it as a marketing tool.....I want to be able to offer him as much as I can.....it's just quite hard to understand things at times with the programming code.
I will have to just sit and learn it I think....force myself....just wanted Kolor to understand that there are people like me who just don't get that side!....Plus I had just got in from working a night shift...so was a little tired and grumpy!!
Neil
Last edited by firefire (2012-02-05 15:48:03)
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firefire wrote:
Hi Klaus & Georg, all that aside.....it should be a little easier to change buttons/themes...I know everyone says it's easy to do...but I just don't find it easy! Maybe it's me being a little stupid...but I just want to produce a nice looking tour...I really don't want to have to learn things I have never understood in the first place! lol
I agree that it would be desirable if it was more easy to create your own themes and buttons.
But...before Kolor created Autopano Tour which evolved into Panotour and Panotour Pro there was no way to develop tours for the krpano Flash Panorama Viewer (and now the iDevice-compatible krpano Javascript/HTML Panorama Viewer) other than hand coding the XML format command files by hand.
Panotour and Panotour Pro have made a major subset of the capabilities of krpano available to 'the rest of us' who don't wish to struggle with hand coding XML fomat command files from scratch.
I suspect there will always be some 'tension' between those who would like more options made available in Panotour and Panotour Pro and those who value ease of use more highly than complexity. A GUI that provided access to all the capabilities of krpano would be extraordinarily complex.
That said Kolor is responsive to user requests for new functionality and Panotour and Panotour Pro have evolved significantly over their various versions - often in response to user requests - and I expect that to continue.
I have no doubt that krpano is the most sophisticated Panorama viewer available and I'm glad Panotour Pro enables me to make tours for it, without PT/PTP there's no way I would ever have been able to get to grips with krpano.
I have a client that actually wants the interactivity within the tour to use it as a marketing tool.....I want to be able to offer him as much as I can.....it's just quite hard to understand things at times with the programming code.
I will have to just sit and learn it I think....force myself....
You could perhaps consider outsourcing the custom coding and pass the cost on to your client (with a mark up, of course). Or persuade your client to accept a tour that can be created without custom coding. I've never been one to believe that the customer is always right.
just wanted Kolor to understand that there are people like me who just don't get that side!....
I'm one of those people too and I think Kolor does appreciate that - that's why they developed Panotour and Panotour Pro.
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As I see it the 'competition' for Panotour/Panotour Pro is:
Pano2VR.
Flash Panorama Player with the Flashificator GUI
EasyPano Tourweaver.
Each has strengths and weaknesses but for me none matches Panotour Pro. Your mileage may vary - as they say.
Last edited by mediavets (2012-02-05 21:14:50)
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... and as I read on forum after the 1.7.x series the kolor team is focusing on the 2.x series...(so from 1.7->2.0)
and panotour here will contain a themeeditor in the gui and nice other features...
Georg
Last edited by gkaefer (2012-02-05 22:20:17)
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Yes.. all valid points.. I also love the option of being able to do custom coding.. and yes, I agree that the easypono tour was giggly and in many parts poorly made, but it was the transitions that I rather liked.. I can already do the butterfly and puppy dog in ptp.. but even though I already know how to do it.. I would probably only use the butterfly in a botanical garden so not that useful...
I was like Neil, grumpy, tired and irritable after spending hour and hours trying to get shadowbox java to work in ptp.. My brain is numb with it all.. and even more frustrated since I know it can be done..
To be honest, this was the fist time I have searched out alternatives and was presently surprised with the improvements made.. Everyone to their own, I firmly believe there a hug need for interactive content in a pano tour.. I also believe many other like to see it too, as long as it doest' look tacky, like the car in the easypano.. The 3D was ok.. but that was just java.. or it might have been AS3. I cannot believe they accepted that terrible image of a car to be placed on the pano..
I will continue to post my suggested improvements on the Future request ticket.. Many of them might not be to everyones needs but its my needs I am posting.. It will be up to others to post what they would like to see added or improved on with ptp...
I have a vision of what I want to achieve with my interactive 3D and Video in ptp and I will try to remain on this track.. Again, this is my needs so therefore I am not expecting others to understand or even agree..
emmm. time to get back to being frustrated with this java thing... ;(
Destiny...
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Special fx wrote:
This Pano Tour Pro seem to be for gigapixal panoramic photography and very good for that but not have good use for ordinary panoramic VR in home.
Please excuse my clear speech: this is complete nonsense. PTP definitely does excellent for ANY kind of interactive panoramas - especially very useful for doing "ordinary panoramic VR in home".
I strongly suggest to learn (!) at least the basics of it . . . .
Give the competitors a try before judging. They all provide trial versions. I tried them all - none of it provides the features of PTP in the same easy way PTP does and show the same
versatility and the same superb quality of the results.
As i wrote before: this whole pano-thing works very well even for beginners. But to do the more challenging things you need to have the skills to do them.
best, Klaus
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Hi Ponie and fx
I have to agree.. On the whole you will not find better.. I have checked out most of them but don't like them.. I guess if easypano Mac version is released I might try that out.. One of the main reasons why I like ptp is for the option to edit the xml but I can understand others feel intimidated by this.. At the moment I am having a few issues of my own with this. I guess I am pushing the boundaries of ptp to its limits.. You are right about the gigapixal part.. its is very suitable for this in so many ways, but it is very suitable for home or business panos too.. Its just a matter of getting used to the way it works... If you buy ptp you will be able to edit the xml.. I do not think that this option is available to you at the moment.. Always remember.. the true power of ptp is actually having the option to edit the xml and include java. I will help you anyway I can.. I received all of your emails.. I will get round to responding to them soon...
Destiny...
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Not true honey... On all major issues the kolor team are very helpful and often very quick to respond. We all try to give our 10c worth, sometimes we know what we are taking about and other times, we think we know what we are taking about... We all want more from ptp and apg, enough is never enough and I am probably the worst for that.. Probably since my needs are mostly about pushing the boundaries of ptp by adding java script elements into it.. If it wasn't for Gérald in helping me way beyond what he had to, I will still be burning the midnight oil tonight.. But all thanks to Gérald, I can now sleep.. now am back on track with my project.. I will give myself.. I mean Gérald, another headache in the coming weeks....
Destiny
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Hello everyone
........" One thing we worry. Most help and advices come from other who buy it and not kolor."
Ponie and fx
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