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#1 2011-04-21 16:55:44

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Another new PC build advise post!

Hi all,

I have been a repeat Dell owner for a long time with my current PC being approximately 8 years old.  Unfortunately since I bought it those many years ago I have become hooked on pano's and PhotoShop and it is struggling.

I tend to update my PC every 7-8 years and this time I am looking to self-build a PC so that I can upgrade and modify over the forthcoming years as my processing requirements change.

The below build spec is what I am looking to go with and after following with great interest a number of hardware posts over the past few months, I would like the forums insights into this spec.

OS/Programs:               Crucial RealSSD C300 128Gb
APG Processing Drive:  OCZ Vertex 3 120GB 2.5"" SATA-3 Solid State Hard Drive (Read: 550MB/Sec, Write: 500MB/Sec)
Temp/Swap PF drive:   Existing 2 x WD Barracuda 500Gb drives in RAID0
OS:                               Windows 7 Professional 64 bit
Motherboard:                Asus P8P67 Intel P67
Processor:                   Intel Core i7-2600K 3.40GHz
RAM:                         Corsair Memory Vengeance [4 x 4gb] 16GB DDR3 1600 MHz
Power Supply:          Corsair Professional Series Gold AX 750W Modular Power Supply
CPU Cooling:             Corsair Hydro H70 Water cooler
Graphics Card:         Asus GeForce GTX 460 1GB DirectCU NVIDIA Graphics Card

Thanks in advance,

Paul cool


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#2 2011-04-21 17:04:58

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Re: Another new PC build advise post!

For me, it's near perfection ( sandy bridge CPU are a really good ). Bundled with 2 big 26" screen, of course smile

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#3 2011-04-30 15:28:08

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Re: Another new PC build advise post!

Thanks for the reply Alex, your input is very much appreciated.  Using a 19" and 21" at present but 2 x 26" is something to aim towards!


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#4 2011-05-01 07:30:13

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Re: Another new PC build advise post!

skip the 2x Seagates, they will slow you down, and if u only have 4 ram slots get 2x 8gb sticks so u can upgrade later

otherwise a nice build

Henrik

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#5 2011-05-03 20:54:53

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Re: Another new PC build advise post!

Thanks Henrik, very much appreciate your input.  Should I just use the SSD and forget the temp drive?  8Gb is what I was aiming for but I've only been able to find 4Gb - any recommendations for 8Gb sticks?


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#6 2011-05-04 02:11:39

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Re: Another new PC build advise post!

Hi UK Pano,

what you are wanting to do is to eliminate all bottlenecks, you would need 4 or more hard drives in RAID-0 to match the speed of the SSD, though latency would still be slower on the HDD;s (eg. the time it takes to begin a command) If you wanted to use your HDD's it should be as  main storage (final place).

Use your two SSD's where one is for OS/APPs as you have suggested above, then use the second SSD for temp for Autopano and photoshop, it probably sounds very extravagant to just have an expensive disk like either of the two you have bought (they are really nice too!) just sitting and being temp space, but its here you will see an increase in the speed of things.

Memory size (RAM) is a compromise between size and speed, but because we are generally working on larger files I think it will be more beneficial to have larger ram sticks over smaller and faster, simply because even the slower ram is still fast enough to fill your SSD's or HDD's with data. It is different if you are making a gaming computer where the files being read and written are much smaller.

I would go with the cheapest and largest ram sticks that are compatible with your mainboard, I use Kingstons myself and they have been fine and were cheaper then both Crucial and Corsair, which both have excellent ram sticks if not some of the best.

Just to recap, that I put my words where my mouth is,
Everything is in RAID-0
I use currently
2x SSD's for OS/APP's
3x SSD's for Temp/Scratch disk
2x 4x HHD's for data storage.
I hoping to double all of these later in the year, but atm $$$ are a bit hard to come by ;-(
I have room for 12 ram sticks and I use 6x 8GB Kingston ECC (48GB total), again if $$$ possible
to double this too.  I haven't checked lately but I think this is the ticket to process the pano's really fast
and my Dual CPU's are overclocked from 2.6Ghz to 4.1Ghz with a total of 2x6 cores and 24 threads.

Getting into overclocking and configuring all this isn't just a plug'n'play job, in my case we have spend a lot of time fiddling with settings swapping things around, then do it all again ;-) which I think is a good argument for buying a Macpro if only it was fast enough :-) but certainly much more a plug'n'play affair. but each to their own!

I hope this is helpful if you have more Q's just ask away  and I will try and answer as soon as I can

Henrik

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#7 2011-05-04 15:52:18

UK Pano
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Re: Another new PC build advise post!

Thanks again Henrik

tived wrote:

Use your two SSD's where one is for OS/APPs as you have suggested above, then use the second SSD for temp for Autopano and photoshop, it probably sounds very extravagant to just have an expensive disk like either of the two you have bought (they are really nice too!) just sitting and being temp space, but its here you will see an increase in the speed of things.

I read somewhere that optimum performance would be to have the APG application and the photographic resources all present upon the same drive, therefore negating pulling the photographic resources from the 2nd drive onto the APP drive when processing.  Does that make sense and is this the case do you know? 

If the above is correct then I see what you are saying in having OS/Apps and the photographic resources on the same drive and use the second SSD as a temp drive if needed during rendering.  Any issues if I where to partition the SSD to segregate OS and Apps?

I use Kingstons myself and they have been fine and were cheaper then both Crucial and Corsair, which both have excellent ram sticks if not some of the best.

I'll have a look to see if I can find any 8Gb kingstons.  If they are cheaper then I'll go for 4 x 8Gb to use the max slots available on the MoBo in question

Final storage isn't a problem as I have a NAS connected which is also backed up to a separate offsite 1Tb drive.

Best regards,
Paul


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#8 2011-05-04 16:40:34

tived
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Re: Another new PC build advise post!

Hi Paul,

regarding partitioning the Boot drive; it probably isn't going to make any difference, as long as you provide enough space for windows to grow as it needs. Therefore i honestly don't think it is worth it.

Separating resources, I would only go as far as to have your OS and all applications on your C: drive, the second drive (Dsmile is purely for temp/scratch disk space which is really really fast. I do occationally drop some files on it, that I will have temporary, and having them there will speed up the process, but I am careful not to fill this drive up, as I wan't it to be fast and available.

What would be good to have too, which I haven't done myself yet, is once your machine and apps are all installed and you are happy with everything is to make a copy of the boot drive, so if something fails, you can easily format and move your copy back to the boot drive and be up and running in 30min instead of hours if not longer.

RAM, it all comes down to how much you are willing to spend, if you have the cash for fast 8GB stick, then I am all for it! However if you have to compromise, then I would go with more RAM over faster less faster RAM. I doubt that your board uses ECC, so you should be a lot better off as it will be easier to find suitable RAM.

I hope all this makes sense - I envy you on your new SSD's ;-) they are lightning fast

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#9 2011-05-04 20:51:31

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Re: Another new PC build advise post!

Thanks again for your insight (had been hoping you would get involved when I first posted as I've followed your inputs on hardware a lot)

tived wrote:

the second drive (Dsmile is purely for temp/scratch disk space which is really really fast. I do occationally drop some files on it, that I will have temporary, and having them there will speed up the process, but I am careful not to fill this drive up, as I wan't it to be fast and available.

So with this second SSD I can use it as a temporary working space to store and process the pano is that what your saying?  Then once I have finished with APG and PS'ing the completed pano, I would clear down the SSD by moving these resource off to the NAS.

Sorry wanted to clarify on this point before I splash the cash!

make a copy of the boot drive, so if something fails, you can easily format and move your copy back to the boot drive and be up and running in 30min instead of hours if not longer.

Grand idea and put it on the "things to do build list"

RAM, it all comes down to how much you are willing to spend, if you have the cash for fast 8GB stick, then I am all for it! However if you have to compromise, then I would go with more RAM over faster less faster RAM. I doubt that your board uses ECC, so you should be a lot better off as it will be easier to find suitable RAM.

Another good point and duly noted

I hope all this makes sense - I envy you on your new SSD's ;-) they are lightning fast

Thanks.  Been waiting for the Vertex 3 to come out ..  550mb/s read and write smile


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#10 2011-05-05 03:34:25

tived
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Re: Another new PC build advise post!

Hi, you are very welcome,

I would like if we put a sticky up on the hardware with some general guidelines, but maybe after you have build your system we can get some feedback on how you find the performance. If you don't mind, running a couple of test for us. Such as the PTGui Speedtest which can also be done on APG. So you have something to compare with.

I did some test on it on  my own system, and it made the process just that little bit faster. Now because I only have the previous generation SSD's they are a fair bit slower then your new ones, so you should see similar speeds to me, as I have RAID'ed all my disks with 2 or more disks on each, but when I transfer between my 4x HDD's of Black Caviar to my 3x SSD's I can peak at 1.4Gb/s but generally its about 3-400mb/s

I hope this is of some help to you, next comes building it, and that can have its own issues, I had wanted to put OCZ RevoDrives in my box originally we spend almost a month trying to get them to work, they just were not compatible with the board because of bad drivers. So i ended up going with just SSD's and later bought a couple of raid cards.
Most people probably think I am mad with my computer build, but its funny when I go to other forums, I have a little rig ;-) a modest one :-) My plan is to eventually have the 3 storage parts all with 8 SSD's each, to hit about 2GB/sec in transfer rate. This may not need 8 drives with the newer SSD's but i am still some time away from this due to lack of $$$.

Anyway, let us know when you start building

all the best

Henrik

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#11 2011-05-05 12:42:28

UK Pano
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Re: Another new PC build advise post!

I would like if we put a sticky up on the hardware with some general guidelines, but maybe after you have build your system we can get some feedback on how you find the performance. If you don't mind, running a couple of test for us. Such as the PTGui Speedtest which can also be done on APG. So you have something to compare with.

Sounds a grand idea as hardware is a common question I think pondered to speed up processing and sure will once I have the PC built.

My current PC is using a Pentium 4 3Ghz and 4Gb RAM .... boy is it slow and maxing CPU every time!  I was away last week and was using my laptop which has a dual core and that was much faster.  Really looking forward to these i7k's smile

I had wanted to put OCZ RevoDrives in my box originally we spend almost a month trying to get them to work, they just were not compatible with the board because of bad drivers.

Remember reading about this at the time

Most people probably think I am mad with my computer build

Lol!  Yeah I've read Bo's comments on "your insane builds"!

One last thing .. was my understanding of using the second SSD as a dedicated "workspace" correctly understood?


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#12 2011-05-05 13:24:14

tived
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Re: Another new PC build advise post!

One last thing .. was my understanding of using the second SSD as a dedicated "workspace" correctly understood?


Yes, you can make it dedicated if you like but i would call it tempoaray workspace, I have to admit that most of the time things just run from my storage which is a 4x drive RAID-0, but if you want that bit extra speed then yes. I mentioned it above as an option, my theory is that if you stick to keeping things moving across the three storage units (OS/Apps - TEMP - Storage), then I think you will get the max performance, providing all three are running at similar speed. Your proposed config is still a little short in the storage department, if you make it 4x 1 or 2TB 7200/10000rpm drives in RAID you will match and exceed the transfer speed of one of your SSD's but latency will still be slower (eg. response time).

Its a bit like a truck and a sports car, both can do 120 mph, but the sports car (SSD) will get to 120 faster! ;-)

I hope this makes sense

I think you can go ahead with your proposed build, you can always add later

Henrik

PS: I do know that Bo is right about what he says, but here and probably also in the UK, wages are higher and computers r cheaper. So it makes sense to have faster computers! To me Bo is GOLD

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#13 2011-05-05 15:17:32

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Re: Another new PC build advise post!

Lol!  good comparison the car and the truck and understand now.  Also agree on the wages thing.  Been looking at some really high performance machines that Scan.co.uk have.  Seriously nice it but seriously priced at £6k and beyond!

This is where I also understand Bo's points about throwing high amounts of dosh at the ultimate APG workstation.   Order for the components going in over the next few days, woo hoo!


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