You are not logged in.

> The forum rules have been updated. Please take a moment to read them.


#1 2010-10-15 15:02:31

Motarny
Member
From: Szczecin / Poland
Registered: 2010-06-25
Posts: 51
Website

[APP 2.5 B1 / Win7 64] Crash when rendering

I think that there is a problem with rendering panorama which uses fisheye photos.

Set:
- Samyang 8mm x crop 1,59
- 6 Photos in row (3bkt in stacks) + 1 zenith

result ~ 360x175 deg

Color corrections - none or ldr (no difference)

Render settings:
- Antighost, save as tiff uncompressed, panorama + layers

100% output is about 12500 x 6100px

When rendering, usually in some between warping and antighost phase apg crashes - closing without any message.
This situation is for 90% renderings.
Sometimes it is possible to have succesfull render when set dimensions to about 3000x1400px.

The same settings on panorama which uses rectlinear wide angle (canon 10-22, 13mm set) and everything is ok.


At the moment "fisheye" set is completely unusuable.


Two platforms: Win7 64bit, 8gb & 4gb, both core2duo

Last edited by Motarny (2010-10-15 22:38:31)

Offline

 

#2 2010-10-15 20:26:47

Judy-A
Member
From: Edmonton, Canada
Registered: 2009-11-12
Posts: 234
Website

Re: [APP 2.5 B1 / Win7 64] Crash when rendering

APG 2.5B1 renders my Samyang 8mm images (Nikon D5000, 1.5 crop factor) without crashing.

Judy

APG 2.5.0 Beta 1
Mac Pro Quad Core Intel Xeon
Mac OS 10.6.4

Offline

 

#3 2010-10-15 22:40:48

Motarny
Member
From: Szczecin / Poland
Registered: 2010-06-25
Posts: 51
Website

Re: [APP 2.5 B1 / Win7 64] Crash when rendering

I've uploaded whole set - images and .pano file.
URL: http://www.panoramy.pro/exper.zip (92mb)

If somebody can download it and check render process i'll be thankful.

Offline

 

#4 2010-10-16 17:43:51

mediavets
Moderator
From: Isleham, Cambridgeshire, UK.
Registered: 2007-11-14
Posts: 9741
Website

Re: [APP 2.5 B1 / Win7 64] Crash when rendering

Motarny wrote:

I've uploaded whole set - images and .pano file.
URL: http://www.panoramy.pro/exper.zip (92mb)

If somebody can download it and check render process i'll be thankful.

Was this the image set you were working with?

If so:

1. Why try and do exposure bracketing with this sort of scene which has people moving? It's not going to work when you try and 'merge' the exposures and in any case in this scene it seems to me it was quite unnecessary.

With a scene like this I think you'd do better to raise the ISO, and shoot with a larger aperture, and shoot FAST, to avoid/minimise ghosting due to people moving.

2. I just took the 'middle' exposure set and it stitched easily to a 360x180.

3. If your source images are JPEGS why did you choose to try and render as a uncompressed TIFF layers.

4. Your NPP setting is not right - see second screenshot and consult this way of setting/checking NPP:
http://www.easypano.com/forum/display_t … picID=4162


Uploaded Images

Last edited by mediavets (2010-10-16 18:47:08)


Andrew Stephens
Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Nodal Ninja 4 with R-D16, Agno's MrotatorTCS short.
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket, Agno's MrotatorA.
Merlin/Orion robotic pano head + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800/N810 and Windows 8/XP/2K.

Online

 

#5 2010-10-16 22:11:05

Motarny
Member
From: Szczecin / Poland
Registered: 2010-06-25
Posts: 51
Website

Re: [APP 2.5 B1 / Win7 64] Crash when rendering

mediavets thanks for Your help.

1. These three bracketings was made from single RAW (0, -2, +2). I used ISO400. More than that is too noisy.

3. I've made jpg's just for autopano forum (tiff's was about 800mb).

4. Thanks for advice - i'll tune up my npp.


I don't know why,  but i still have problems with rendering. Always crashes. Maybe it is win7 64 problem?

Offline

 

#6 2010-10-16 22:22:25

mediavets
Moderator
From: Isleham, Cambridgeshire, UK.
Registered: 2007-11-14
Posts: 9741
Website

Re: [APP 2.5 B1 / Win7 64] Crash when rendering

Motarny wrote:

mediavets thanks for Your help.

1. These three bracketings was made from single RAW (0, -2, +2). I used ISO400. More than that is too noisy.

I still feel it's not necessary to use more than a single exposure for this scene.


Andrew Stephens
Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Nodal Ninja 4 with R-D16, Agno's MrotatorTCS short.
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket, Agno's MrotatorA.
Merlin/Orion robotic pano head + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800/N810 and Windows 8/XP/2K.

Online

 

#7 2010-10-16 22:58:25

Motarny
Member
From: Szczecin / Poland
Registered: 2010-06-25
Posts: 51
Website

Re: [APP 2.5 B1 / Win7 64] Crash when rendering

Ok, you're right, it is not necessary to use more than one exposure.
But when i try to render with only one, the problem with crashing still exists..

Offline

 

#8 2010-10-16 23:21:23

Motarny
Member
From: Szczecin / Poland
Registered: 2010-06-25
Posts: 51
Website

Re: [APP 2.5 B1 / Win7 64] Crash when rendering

Crashes occurs when "remove ghosts" is checked. With no-antighost rendering is successful.

Win7 64bit / Vista 32bit

Offline

 

#9 2010-10-16 23:21:30

Judy-A
Member
From: Edmonton, Canada
Registered: 2009-11-12
Posts: 234
Website

Re: [APP 2.5 B1 / Win7 64] Crash when rendering

Motarny wrote:

I don't know why,  but i still have problems with rendering. Always crashes. Maybe it is win7 64 problem?

Have you deleted your Kolor preferences?

I'm on a Mac so don't know the location under Windows. I think it was posted here recently, but I can't find the post at the moment.

Judy

Offline

 

#10 2010-10-16 23:56:51

mediavets
Moderator
From: Isleham, Cambridgeshire, UK.
Registered: 2007-11-14
Posts: 9741
Website

Re: [APP 2.5 B1 / Win7 64] Crash when rendering

Motarny wrote:

Ok, you're right, it is not necessary to use more than one exposure.
But when i try to render with only one, the problem with crashing still exists..

Crashed with me too as you described with same settings and single exposure image set.

Windows XP/32. APG 2.5 b1.

Last edited by mediavets (2010-10-16 23:57:47)


Andrew Stephens
Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Nodal Ninja 4 with R-D16, Agno's MrotatorTCS short.
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket, Agno's MrotatorA.
Merlin/Orion robotic pano head + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800/N810 and Windows 8/XP/2K.

Online

 

#11 2010-10-17 04:49:57

Judy-A
Member
From: Edmonton, Canada
Registered: 2009-11-12
Posts: 234
Website

Re: [APP 2.5 B1 / Win7 64] Crash when rendering

Motarny, with APG 2.5b1 (Mac) I tested your set of images with your settings, including anti-ghosting. All layers rendered without crashing.

It looks to me like a Windows issue.

Judy
APG 2.5.0 Beta 1
Mac Pro Quad Core Intel Xeon
Mac OS 10.6.4

Offline

 

#12 2010-10-18 10:56:00

AlexandreJ
Kolor CEO
From: Francin, France
Registered: 2005-11-14
Posts: 7917
Website

Re: [APP 2.5 B1 / Win7 64] Crash when rendering

Issue 332

Offline

 

#13 2010-10-19 13:08:04

AlexandreJ
Kolor CEO
From: Francin, France
Registered: 2005-11-14
Posts: 7917
Website

Re: [APP 2.5 B1 / Win7 64] Crash when rendering

I tried to reproduce this crash and was not able to make it crash. The bug involved in probably already solved for next beta.
So, I won't close this issue yet, it has to be confirmed with next release.

Offline

 

#14 2010-10-19 23:51:31

Motarny
Member
From: Szczecin / Poland
Registered: 2010-06-25
Posts: 51
Website

Re: [APP 2.5 B1 / Win7 64] Crash when rendering

I've made some more tests... Funny results...

I've loaded my pano set which likes to crash on Antighost phase.
Then, I've removed some images from panorama in Editor (1 or 2 images).
In this case rendering is successfull (more images deleted = more chance for successfull render).
Ofcourse the final render has black gaps, but it is possible to render again with another images removed,
so I can merge this to files to one full pano in photoshop smile.

Ofcourse this should not be typical workflow, it's quite 'crazy' smile.

I'm just pointing where the problem can be.


Cheers,
Marcin Klimczuk

Offline

 

#15 2010-10-20 02:12:07

GURL
Member
From: Grenoble
Registered: 2005-12-06
Posts: 3501

Re: [APP 2.5 B1 / Win7 64] Crash when rendering

Windows 7 / 64 bit

I stitched your sources images and rendered the pano with antighost: no problem.
I loaded your project file, launched rendering: it crashed.
As your project includes many unlinked source images (see screen capture) I placed hard links on these images: no more crash.

Suggestion : antighost crashes when encountering unlinked images ?


Uploaded Images


Georges

Offline

 

#16 2010-10-20 02:19:45

Motarny
Member
From: Szczecin / Poland
Registered: 2010-06-25
Posts: 51
Website

Re: [APP 2.5 B1 / Win7 64] Crash when rendering

GURL, well, interesting suggestion, but unfortunately it's not the point.
Crash occurs even with all images linked.

Set from image below crashed too.


Win7 64


http://www.panoramy.pro


Uploaded Images

Last edited by Motarny (2010-10-20 02:23:31)

Offline

 

#17 2010-10-27 19:28:53

Motarny
Member
From: Szczecin / Poland
Registered: 2010-06-25
Posts: 51
Website

Re: [APP 2.5 B1 / Win7 64] Crash when rendering

Problem with crashing does not exists on Beta 2 smile

Offline

 

#18 2010-10-28 09:33:03

AlexandreJ
Kolor CEO
From: Francin, France
Registered: 2005-11-14
Posts: 7917
Website

Re: [APP 2.5 B1 / Win7 64] Crash when rendering

Great, thanks for feedback. Closing issue 332

Offline

 

#19 2010-10-28 19:32:52

Motarny
Member
From: Szczecin / Poland
Registered: 2010-06-25
Posts: 51
Website

Re: [APP 2.5 B1 / Win7 64] Crash when rendering

Unfortunately I have to cancel what I wrote...

APG still crashes on Antighost when rendering set of 7 fisheye images sad.

Platform: fresh Win7 64 bit installation - with 4gb and 8gb.

I will check on win XP...

Offline

 

#20 2010-10-28 21:39:43

Motarny
Member
From: Szczecin / Poland
Registered: 2010-06-25
Posts: 51
Website

Re: [APP 2.5 B1 / Win7 64] Crash when rendering

It seems that this problem don't occur on Windows XP 32bit.

Next test well be Win7 32bit and maybe Win XP 64bit

Offline

 

Board footer

Powered by PunBB
© Copyright 2002–2005 Rickard Andersson