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fma38 wrote:
Yes, that's the question! As I made some other changes in the code (not only in the plugin), it is not easy to find the issue. If it is a command timing, it will be tricky to find.
I'm also assuming you used the same compiler, same everything ect...
Best
Gordon
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A python script is interpreted, not compiled 
There could be some differences in timings and so, with different interpreter versions, but I never changed anything to package Papywizard under windows: I'm still using the same python and PyQt versions since the begining...
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Bumpitty Bump 
It has been over a month since the last post on this stair-stepping issue. Has there been any kind of resolution of the issue? I plan to head out to shoot some tomorrow and wanted to see if I can avoid getting a case of the stairs.
If there has been no resolution, is the problem eliminated if you turn off the alternate drive?
Is there a previous version with alternate drive that doesn't exhibit this problem?
It is really hard to decipher the entire thread-full of false starts, feints, and wrong turns. It might be helpful to have an executive summary of the situation updated at the beginning of the thread
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I didn't solve this bug yet. You can avoid it by disabling the alternate drive, or use an old version (2.1.6 is the last working fine).
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ever thought about a mechanical problem? the axis of the merlin are connected to the gearbox by a slipping clutch. Maybe the alternate move mode starts or stops a bit too fast, so the clutch slips a bit?
The clutches on my merlin are quite soft and slippy, so i thigtened them a bit.
after all, it's just a guess...
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Excuse me if i skipped a couple of the posts that might have mentioned this, but am i to gather that alternate drive works accurately in 2.1.6, so i should try to install that on my N800 for long focal lengths pending resolution of the issue?
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wjh31 wrote:
Excuse me if i skipped a couple of the posts that might have mentioned this, but am i to gather that alternate drive works accurately in 2.1.6, so i should try to install that on my N800 for long focal lengths pending resolution of the issue?
Will,
As I recall the alternate drive feature did not exist in 2.1.6.
I wouldn't go back to that ancient version - instead if you are bothered by the 'stepping' issue - either shoot a larger pano so you can crop it out, or turn off the alternate drive feature at the expense of a longer shooting time.
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where can i find papywizard 2.1.6 ?
thanks, boris
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Papywizard web site -> Download -> All Versions. This leads you there:
http://www.papywizard.org/static/download
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i will need the maemo version for nokia 800 ? right?
thank you Frédéric.
boris
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baba wrote:
i will need the maemo version for nokia 800 ? right?
thank you Frédéric.
boris
Yes, the Maemo version for the N800, I would advise you to choose the latest development version.
Why do you feel you want 2.1.6?
I wouldn't go back to that ancient version - instead if you are bothered by the 'stepping' issue - either shoot a larger pano so you can crop it out, or turn off the alternate drive feature at the expense of a longer shooting time.
You will find complete installation instructions here:
http://www.autopano.net/wiki-en/action/ … Nokia_N8x0
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mediavets wrote:
Why do you feel you want 2.1.6?
I wouldn't go back to that ancient version - instead if you are bothered by the 'stepping' issue - either shoot a larger pano so you can crop it out, or turn off the alternate drive feature at the expense of a longer shooting time.
my stepping issue is much more serious then yours. if i want to make 60 frames for a chosen rectangel, i will need 100 frames to be able to get what i want ( this is true only for horizontal panoramas). it is easier to deal with the issue when it is a classical panorame, but if the picture is horizontal the stepping is really annoying!
if i disable the drive it will take 20 minuts to make 60 pictures
i didn't install yet the "ancient" version, but what will i miss if i would go back to 04-May-2009 11:26 .
maybe a little late but i want the thank all the people that spend their time on the wish to improve papywizard.
boris
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Here is the ChangeLog between 2.1.6 and 2.1.20:
2010-06-15 Version 2.1.20 (dev)
+ new 'nearest-corner' entry from 'Start from' param
+ 'Ursa Minor Bt2' plugin improved
- 'Panoduino' default channels changed
- 'Panoduino' 'Angle for 1ms' param extended to 9999.9°
x 'Panoduino' channels init revisited
x remove unavailable drivers from list
x 'Merlin-Orion' plugin alternate drive with offset (set reference)
2010-04-19 Version 2.1.19 (dev)
+ new 'additional delay' param for 'Panoduino' plugin
x several fixes in 'Panoduino' plugin
x fixed byte conversion bug in Pololu hardware
2010-04-15 Version 2.1.18 (dev)
+ new menu to trigger the shutter manually
+ added more settings to 'Panoduino' plugin
+ shooting counter support (in data file and display dialog)
+ added custom params to 'Generic Tethered' plugin
+ added alternate drive angle param to 'Merlin-Orion' plugin
- Set Reference feature moved from button to menu
- new xml data file format (version 'c')
- 'Panoduino' plugin now uses Pololu Micro Maestro controller
2010-04-03 Version 2.1.17 (dev)
+ pitch arm side param
+ bulb mode in shutter plugins
+ 'Gphoto Bracket' plugin (jeongyun patch)
+ 'Panoduino' plugin (replace 'Pololu Servo' plugin)
+ value changed callback mecanism in plugins
- mosaic nb picts limits are now yaw=500, pitch=250
- don't register anymore 2 plugins under the same name
- plugins labels revisited
x unicode fix in Help About dialog
x goto initial position now works even from reference position
x reload correct combobox config in plugins (unicode issue)
2010-02-14 Version 2.1.16 (dev)
+ renamed 'Panoguy' plugin to 'GigaPanBot'
+ add path param to 'NK Remote' plugin
- read real position for xml data file (jeongyun patch)
- new plugins hardware architecture
x bug fixed in 'GigaPanBot' plugin
2010-02-01 Version 2.1.15 (dev)
+ params for communication (timeout/retry)
+ 'NK Remote' plugin
+ 'Panoguy' plugin
2010-01-10 Version 2.1.14 (dev)
- translations files updated
x unicode fix
2009-10-20 Version 2.1.13 (dev)
+ read firmeware version in 'Merlin/Orion' plugin
x check limits before applying offset
2009-10-20 Version 2.1.12 (dev)
+ color support on Windows console for log
+ 'PixOrb' plugin
+ 'DSLR Remote Pro' plugin
+ czech translation
- removed key binding
x pictures correctly centered on shooting scene
2009-09-15 Version 2.1.11 (dev)
+ mosaic start corner selection
+ reverse shooting direction
+ i18n plugins support
+ czech translation (partial)
- data file enabled by default
- remove bracketing intent
- user config is always overwritten for new versions
- renamed 'Ursa Minor' plugins
- improved connection sequence
- new xml data file format (version 'b')
- 'EOS Utility' plugin params revisited
x several bug fix
x text shooting view refresh
x manager now correctly loads custom plugins
2009-06-20 Version 2.1.10 (dev)
- removed refresh bluetooth button
- improved connection sequence
x bluetooth scan on MacOS (only once!)
2009-06-07 Version 2.1.9 (dev)
+ new shutter plugin for USB TA interface
- updated startup plugins dialog
- plugins refactoring
x fixed encoder counts-per-turn value
2009-05-19 Version 2.1.8 (dev)
+ open plugins dialog at startup if needed
- mosaic nb picts limits are now yaw=200, pitch=200
x fixed bug in unicode decoding strings
2009-05-11 Version 2.1.7 (dev)
- use a bluetoothTransport module for all platforms
- new plugins config layout
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baba wrote:
if i disable the drive it will take 20 minuts to make 60 pictures
boris
Won't that also be true of 2.1.6?
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Frédéric, i have to admitt that i am impressed what you have done in 18 month!
mediavets, i hope that i don't have to switch the drive of... i hope that it will work fast, precise and predictable. 
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Hi All
The first posting.
Pangear bought a month ago.
Configuration:
Kolor Panogear - Motorized panoramic head
Panogear--touchCP--doc-Tete
panogear-Trigger cable package
Panogear Bluetooth Dongle
Panogear Bluetooth transmitter
Panogear battery ... etc.
Papywizard Ver 2.1.20-1(Latest!)
and my pc & Camera:
Windows XP SP3 32bit core i7
Nkkon D300s + lense AF-S NIKKOR 300mm ....
Papywizard is made up of very useful clarity.
However, there are bugs in the important parts.
That shooting was that it missed(offset) the point.
This phenomenon, mosaic mode, pitch · yaw occurs either way.
Reference:Papywizard_Pitchmode.JPG,Papywizard_Yawmode.JPG
This phenomenon is proud to say Papywizard bug.
Using an offset because the controller does not occur.
Reference:Controller.JPG
And 2.0.0 Ver Papywizard The thrust is to be parked correctly pointing.
Reference:Papywizard2-0-0.JPG
I would like to make sure too.
Sorry for bad English.
Last edited by mamoo (2010-10-09 06:56:18)
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mamoo wrote:
Hi All
...(edited for length)...
Alexandre FAURE is now examined. Hang Alexandre FAURE!
Sorry for bad English.
WTF? Who is Alexandre FAURE and why are we hanging him?
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mamoo,
what is the difference in making picture number 3 and 4?
my results look very much like number 4, number 3 looks similar to what mediavents have discribed.
boris
Last edited by baba (2010-10-09 09:57:30)
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At the first, the difference between number 3 and 4, which was just pictured by pitching and yawing.
I mean, I would prefer to say there is big difference between number 1,2 and 3,4. Numeber 1 picture which was taken with tauch panel contorller. Also, number 2 picture was taken by old version software. When I took them, there were only small gap betwwen each law or curum. But when I take picture with new version software that were number 3 and 4. There were too big gaps in each law or curum. That is my complaint! because I would liket to connect more than five pitures. Do you understand what I'm saying??
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mamoo wrote:
Do you understand what I'm saying??
Yes.
But do you have a real problem? You don't have to use Papywizard because you have the Touch Controller which is working fine.
In what circumstances would you prefer to use Papywizard and why?
You can avoid this 'stepping' issue with the latest version of Papywizard if you disable the alternate-drive feature, but then it takes approximately 1.5-2 times longer to shoot the same number of images.
The Touch Controller uses a real-time operating system, none of the operating systems used for Papywizard are real-time operating systems. This may account for the difference and the problem displayed when using the Alternate-drive feature of Papywizard.
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Yes, this is real probrem for me. Because I would like to use Papywizard with bluetooth.
My question which mean I don't understand why the picture position(location) can't come back to origin position after move to next law or curum with papywizard??
I understand there is no problem when I use touch contoroller, but I don't understand there is time luggs between each law and curum. I bought total package which was included software with bluetooth. If it's not works, I believe there is programing bug in latest Papywizaed. Don't you think so? I would like to discuss about this bugs with all you guys.
Thank you for your comment.
best regards,
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mamoo,
1. picture #1 was made with the "josef" controller sold by kolor in their panogear package?
2. did you made picture #2 with papywizard 2.0.0 ? if so it's strange! i tried papywizard 2.0.0 but couldn't control the madness. the head just did what it wanted.
3. picture #3 is better than #4 ...whay?
thank you, boris
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mamoo wrote:
Yes, this is real probrem for me. Because I would like to use Papywizard with bluetooth.
Errr...so why did you buy the Touch Controller?
You can use Papywizard and Bluetooth but to avoid the 'stepping' problem you will have to disable the alternate-drive feature - do you understand this and know how to do it?
My question which mean I don't understand why the picture position(location) can't come back to origin position after move to next row or column with Papywizard??
I understand there is no problem when I use touch controller, but I don't understand why there are time lags between each row and column. I bought total package which was included software with bluetooth. If it's not works, I believe there is programing bug in latest Papywizard. Don't you think so? I would like to discuss about this bugs with all you guys.
Thank you for your comment.
best regards,
Simple answer - all are agreed that the Papywizard 'stepping' issue is 'unintended and undesirable behaviour'. It appears to be related to the alternate-drive feature, which speeds up shooting, but no-one knows why it happens.
Frederic (fma38) the developer of Papywizard cannot see any bug/fault in the code, and so of course cannot fix it because there doesn't seem to be anything to fix in the Papywizard code.
The problem may lie somewhere in the communications between Papywizard and the Merlin firmware.
I can assure you that if Frederic could identify the cause of the problem he would do his very best to fix it.
It may be related to the fact that Papywizard does not run with realtime operating systems, unlike the Touch Controller.
You can avoid the 'stepping' issue with Papywizard if you disable the alternate-drive feature.
Papywizard is an Open Source software project and offered under the terms of a French free licence without any sort of warranty:
http://www.papywizard.org/
I quote Frederic, the developer:
"Papywizard is not a commercial project: I develop it on my free time, because it is fun. So, I don't make support for professional usage. This does not mean that it can't be used by pro photographers, but be aware that things can go wrong while shooting, and neither my responsability, nor Kolor one, can be engaged is such case. "
You can read about the license:
http://www.papywizard.org/wiki/WikiStart#License
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