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The autopano output tiff format is not a right tiff : the proof ? it is not openable by Capture NX !! 
I am working with the last version of this two software.
I have tried all options (8/16 bits, big or low in octet, ...), I thing 
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Thank's for your post, Hankkarl.
I do not use photoshop but The Gimp and it open the tiff file with a small error message : Invalid tiff directory, tags are not sorted in ascending order.
In my differents tests the more simple and the last one is a little 8 bits tiff file 9Mo., naturally it append the same thing.
Did you try to see yourself my problem on your PP platform ?
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Did Kolor known this problem and is it exist a solution, a patch or a workaround ?
The target is to use CNX in PT of Autopano because it's really more simple and less expensive than PS, isn't it ?
(Sorry for my poor vocabulary in english, I'll try to do better in my next post)
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The autopano output tiff format is not a right tiff
you do not post the tiff...
you do not upload the tiff as published so kolor team can review the image (ftp upload to kolor - search the forum for that info)...
you does not inform us about the image size you've problems with...
you does not inform us what your operating system is. 32 bit system have serious problems with memory handling...
you does not tell us if your output is compressed or uncompressed tiff
you does not tell us if your're using the gimp 32bit or the available 64bit version. the 32 bit has def. problems openening big tiffs >2GB
you does not tell us any information about your computer (mac, linux, pc, memory, graphic card etc.)
how should we help?
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The target is to use CNX in PT of Autopano
CNX is the mentioned program above... what is PT?
PPS: in same posting in the french bug forum you write about error message you get:
"Invalid tiff directoty : tags are not sorted in ascending order"
did you google for exact this phrase?
seems that llibtiff has problems with embeded exif data... e.g.:
http://dev.exiv2.org/issues/show/0000602
so its rather the libraries used by gimp causing your troubles...
...other postings are saying that this error says that the tiff definitions are not fully fulfilled.
if its so easy? sort the exif tags in ascending order? well kolor can sure make more tests if this can solve the problem...
Georg
Last edited by gkaefer (2010-03-08 22:39:26)
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Whaouh, Georg ! Stay relaxed is possible even if you're a real and unconditional Kolor defender !
I post my problem to find a technical solution not to be eaten by an aggressive player.
However, to respond positively, "I do not" because it is not necessary, this failure is simple.
Take your AutoPano, make a tiff as you like, and open it in CNX (here you do not) 
and now can you help someone ?
PS : PT is a French acronym for post-traitement, here is a mistake (oops!), it's PP for post-processing in english I think 
PPS : The message from the gimp is a hint, nothing more, and I am surprised that you know what Kolor can do or not, will you not what you claim to be, do you work at Kolor, as a developer may be?
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Doesn't seem to be an attack to me. George is just asking for more info about the problem.
The more info you give about a problem, the easier it is to solve.
The TIFF issue is a well known problem. Had you read the forums, or used the search box for "gimp tif" you would have found
http://www.autopano.net/forum/t8341-ima … 6bit-files
and
http://www.autopano.net/forum/t7530-apg … tif-writer
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its just hankkarl assumed. I just ask for more information... not aggressive ... sometimes pokerplayer... and 100% not employee of Kolor ;-)
back to topic ;-) Why do you assume AP is wrong handling tiffs so other programms in your case CNX cant work with. Its also possible the other way round, CNX has problems with Tiffs. I for myself more than one time saw problems e.g. with Gimp handling tiffs. other programs can open the same tiffs.
you mentioned gimp and you did not tell us fi your're using 32 or 64 bit operating system. Gimp 32bit for example has problems with files >2gb and exaxt same tiffs can be processed with gimp 64 bit....
take your not working tiff and open it with some EXIF handling/editing programs, like exiftool / exifgui tool; opanda Iexif or similar programs and try to delete all exif data from the file. Is it possible to open it than with CNX or gimp. other test you could manually reorder EXIF fields in ascending order (as stated in your error message). If this solves your problem why should we (enduser of AP) not ask/request/demand that Kolor should able to reorder the EXIF data in the tiff output of AP to be compaitble with tiff standards. For this reason I bold stated that Kolor can do it... ;-)
EDIT: hmm both mentioned exif tools can delete and edit the exif data, but reordering in any way seems not possible.... perhaps this way: export exif data, edit (reordering this exported data and reimport it again)
Liebe Gruesse,
Georg
Last edited by gkaefer (2010-03-09 22:16:32)
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The tiff created by autopano have an alpha channel and capture NX doesn't support alpha channel. That's it, simple and complicated.
Why an alpha channel ? Because you may have zone in the rendering panorama where no pixel exist ( like when you want to add some more sky to a panorama ). So when you open that tiff in photoshop you'll get transparency instead of black pixels. It's far better for retouching.
The solution ? Use capture NX before stitching on original image. That's in fact the goal of that software : deraw and retouching single images, not something that came out from another software. BTW : the same issue exists with Lightroom.
Of course, we'll provide in a future update a way to prevent that alpha channel to be inserted into the panorama.
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jyl2010 wrote:
However, to respond positively, "I do not" because it is not necessary, this failure is simple.
Yes - it´s simple indeed: You´re simply misunderstanding something basically. 
Working with APP/APG intensively now for almost 4 years i never had a problem like you described.
I don´t know how Gimp handles Alphas!?
My advice: use Photoshop. You could buy a used one - older versions like CS1 or even 7 will do very well. You might
get them cheap on ebay.
Forget NX fort that purpose - it´s not intended to handle Tiff with layers/alpha.
It´s a good app dedicated to Nikons.
best, Klaus
(oops - i didn´t see Alex already answered)
Last edited by klausesser (2010-03-10 12:44:01)
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Alexandre thank you, here's an answer perfectly clear and understandable.
This choice so simple will be in the next version without a doubt, in the options tiff as RGB or RGBA.
I am not a technophile and technophobe nor I am a photographer, I chose to use CNX for good reasons, as I chose to use Autopano.
To those who want to use Photoshop I replied : do it. Me, I use Autopano then CNX, and I hear that Kolor and Nikon allow me to do.
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A simple workaround is : use ImageMagick (http://www.imagemagick.org/script/index.php)
convert autopano-tiff-16bits-RGBA.tif type=Truecolor tiff-16bits-RGB-forCNX.tif
260MB => 194MB in 5sec
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jyl2010 wrote:
Alexandre thank you, here's an answer perfectly clear and understandable.
I am not a technophile and technophobe nor I am a photographer, I chose to use CNX for good reasons, as I chose to use Autopano.
I am going to take a wild guess and ask if you prefer CNX for its particular method of shadow/highlight recovery that it employs? As the method CNX uses for this differs from that of other programs and can indeed provide excellent results.
IF that is the case, the shadow/highlights recovery method in CNX was created by the company "Applied Science Fiction", who also makes available the same method for a Photoshop plug-in sold under the Kodak name called "DigitalSho" which you can get here:
http://asf.com/products/plugins/shopro/pluginSHOPRO/
With this you can get the same process used in CNX but without all of the other issues CNX has that can make it so unbearable to work with.
If this is not the case, perhaps other Nikon users of CNX may find this of interest then.
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