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#1 2010-03-06 23:41:47

l_d_allan
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Seems like APP was more stable with Win7-Ent-64 than Win7-Pro-64?

My speculation is that I'm encountering "memory fragmentation" problems, as mentioned in other posts. I'm hitting lots of BugSplats when do auto-folder-detect and concurrent rendering in a folder with 300 to 500+ files, and 50 to 100+ panos (lots of small to medium panos).

I wonder if the following might apply: I started using APP just as Win-7 was RTM. I used the Enterprise-64 trial for quite a while, and had occassional BugSplats. When I installed an actual licensed copy of Win-7-Pro-64 a week or so ago, it seems like I've been hitting a lot more BugSplats.

I would think Win-7 Ent and Pro would use essentially the same memory manager strategy and algorithms, but perhaps not. Perhaps that might explain some problems.

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#2 2010-03-07 10:27:16

gkaefer
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Re: Seems like APP was more stable with Win7-Ent-64 than Win7-Pro-64?

l_d_allan wrote:

My speculation is that I'm encountering "memory fragmentation" problems, as mentioned in other posts. I'm hitting lots of BugSplats when do auto-folder-detect and concurrent rendering in a folder with 300 to 500+ files, and 50 to 100+ panos (lots of small to medium panos).

I wonder if the following might apply: I started using APP just as Win-7 was RTM. I used the Enterprise-64 trial for quite a while, and had occassional BugSplats. When I installed an actual licensed copy of Win-7-Pro-64 a week or so ago, it seems like I've been hitting a lot more BugSplats.

I would think Win-7 Ent and Pro would use essentially the same memory manager strategy and algorithms, but perhaps not. Perhaps that might explain some problems.

was it a clean fresh install on a new partition or did you revert/downgrade the Win764bitUltimateRC to an Win7 Prof final version like this:

1.
copy CD/DVD of Win7 Installation to local folder
open sources\cversion.ini and change value "MinClient=7233.0" to "MinClient=7077.0"

2.
win registry: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\
EditionID REG_SZ Ultimate -> Professional
ProductName REG_SZ Windows 7 Ultimate ->Windows 7 Proessional

3. starting Win 7 Professional Upgrade from CD/DVD

in this case some programs did not work after that. Fortigate VPN/SSL Client and some others I hat to reinstalll. Perhaps AP is also such^a candidate...

Liebe Gruesse,
Georg

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#3 2010-03-08 13:05:02

l_d_allan
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Re: Seems like APP was more stable with Win7-Ent-64 than Win7-Pro-64?

It was a clean install to a formatted partition.

I'm finding that the APP renderer seems more stable if I run it "As Administrator". It is more likely to get through 30 to 80+ panos that way. Perhaps it is having trouble writing to a partitiion or folder that ownership or privilege isn't simple?

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#4 2010-03-29 18:36:53

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Re: Seems like APP was more stable with Win7-Ent-64 than Win7-Pro-64?

interesting! I'm using two different machines:

Desktop:
- AMD Phonom II X4
- 4GB RAM
- Windows 7 64Bit Professional

Laptop:
- Intel Core2 Duo
- 4GB RAM
- Windows 7 64Bit Home Premium

On my Desktop, I can hardly render any panorama. Just today, I had three crashes trying to run an image consisting of 91 10MPixel TIFFs. Moved the exact same TIFFS to the laptop et voilá, stitched and rendered without any problem.
And that's despite the fact that the Desktop a much higher amount of free RAM at the time as it was running virtually no applications.

So - is there really something about Windows 7 Pro? Or the AMD Processor? or what?

pj

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#5 2010-03-30 11:33:42

[bo]
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Re: Seems like APP was more stable with Win7-Ent-64 than Win7-Pro-64?

Just to chime in - my two photo-processing PCs are Q6600, 8 gigs of ram, licensed and clean installed (after format) W7x64 Pro. No such problems observed. The occasional bug splat comes usually when trying to do a local optimize in a complicated case or remove an image from a detected pano.


Some of my panoramas, posted in the Autopano Pro flickr group.

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#6 2010-03-31 10:47:36

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Re: Seems like APP was more stable with Win7-Ent-64 than Win7-Pro-64?

[bo] wrote:

Just to chime in - my two photo-processing PCs are Q6600, 8 gigs of ram, licensed and clean installed (after format) W7x64 Pro. No such problems observed. The occasional bug splat comes usually when trying to do a local optimize in a complicated case or remove an image from a detected pano.

Interesting. The Q6600 are both Intel CPUs, right?
Theoretically, this might nudge my issue into a thread of it's own if it should be related to AMD CPUs. Or, of course, it might be an issue of other software installed on the system, albeit they're both relatively similar and of roughly the same age.

pj

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#7 2010-03-31 13:57:34

MaGue
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Re: Seems like APP was more stable with Win7-Ent-64 than Win7-Pro-64?

With my Intel core i5 and Win7x64 the Program crashes very often. The old System with WinXP 32bit was much more stable.

In Example, click three to four times at the Image to center the Panorama. The Program will crash!

Maybe i have some Problems with the Drivers. In the following Days i will update the graphics and Chipset Drivers. Then we will see where ist the Problem.


best,
Martin

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#8 2010-03-31 14:20:23

[bo]
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Re: Seems like APP was more stable with Win7-Ent-64 than Win7-Pro-64?

Yes, Q6600 are Intel quad-core CPUs. Both on high end Asus MBs, one has 9800GT video card, the other - 8600GT. Hopefully the bug splats arrive at Kolor, so maybe the team will be able to analyze them and find the source.

I tend to blame the drivers for many user problems. Personally, since W7, I don't install any "custom" drivers - I just let the OS find and install what it needs. It has worked perfectly, at least in my experience.

I've tried clicking with the Center Point tool numerous times - no crash...


Some of my panoramas, posted in the Autopano Pro flickr group.

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#9 2010-03-31 20:51:02

l_d_allan
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Re: Seems like APP was more stable with Win7-Ent-64 than Win7-Pro-64?

[bo] wrote:

one has 9800GT video card, the other - 8600GT. .

My main computer has an 8600 GT "silent pipe". I've noticed that when I've got several photo related things going on (Bridge and CS4 and APP), the system can occassionally seem to lock up for a minute or so, and then I have gotten a system message about faulty video driver.

NVidia recently (this week) released a WHQL driver update for the GeForce series of video cards (197.13)
http://www.nvidia.com/object/win7_winvi … _whql.html

I usally wait for driver updates to show up in Windows Update, but I went ahead and installed 197.13. I'm hoping this reduces the BugSpats I've been encountering.

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