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#1 2010-02-03 12:31:24

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What do you think about this solution? http://www.thegadgetworks.com/index.html


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#2 2010-02-04 12:12:44

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spherorama wrote:

What do you think about this solution? http://www.thegadgetworks.com/index.html

Looks very promising but good luck to get an unit sad I'm in touch with company since months to get one unit without succes (three months each email to get an answer hmm

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#3 2010-02-04 12:56:35

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Re: Automate Bot

spherorama wrote:

What do you think about this solution? http://www.thegadgetworks.com/index.html

What do you see as the advantages of Automate over a Merlin+Papywizard system.

To me Automate only seems suited to shooting partial panos of distant landscapes with longer focal length lenses. Pitch range is very limited and you cannot really set the camera/lens at the NPP.

Merlin+Papywizard is very much more versatile IMO. Less expensive too.

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#4 2010-02-04 13:36:38

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I have it, and is very different about merlin.

Benefits: very small and light, you put it in your backpack if you're not sure use;
               loads in autopano as if it were gigapan
               fully programmable
               Work with external sensors
               Once programmed you can go and turn off the control
               prende fino a 100 metri con l'antenna inclusa
               ready to work

disadvantages: can adjust only the horizontal pupil of entry (with binbario not included)
                       little vertical excursion (sufficient only for gigapixel) without manual correction on the joint
                       imprecise on optical over 400mm, works with the times because he have not encoder

Conclusion?
If I have to go to the mountains to walk, have better automate that have nothing, 360 cilindrical are ok with an 16mm full frame.

If I want to work precisely and only going to do that better merlin (I hope, because I'm waiting it and I took it on purpose)

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#5 2010-02-04 13:45:10

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I also found this one: http://www.roundshot.ch/xml_1/internet/de/intro.cfm It's really expensive but on hte other hand you need no interface to program it. It looks stable. They have a rental service. too. With a device this costly it is good to have the possibility to try it out before you buy it.


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#6 2010-02-04 14:01:16

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spherorama wrote:

I also found this one: http://www.roundshot.ch/xml_1/internet/de/intro.cfm It's really expensive but on hte other hand you need no interface to program it. It looks stable. They have a rental service. too. With a device this costly it is good to have the possibility to try it out before you buy it.

fast is fast but it is only for cilindrical pano on 1 row, not gigapixel no multirow partial pano or 360...

I prefer to use an extra minute to do it manually at this point, but without spending money

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#7 2010-02-04 14:42:07

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Andrea,
as far as I understood this robot from Seitz moves the panoramic head hotizontally. All the vertical adjustments you have to do by hand.


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#8 2010-02-04 15:22:08

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Ah yes, I didn't see the hub behind the lens. My mistake

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#9 2010-02-04 15:39:34

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Re: Automate Bot

OffrediAndrea wrote:

I have it, and is very different about Merlin...

Benefits: Work with external sensors

How might you use that?


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Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket
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#10 2010-02-04 15:50:25

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Re: Automate Bot

mediavets wrote:

OffrediAndrea wrote:

I have it, and is very different about Merlin...

Benefits: Work with external sensors

How might you use that?

Photo animal trap for example

or to photograph all those who pass front your house when you're at work.... I dont Know.. is necessary imagination, but you can do it.

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#11 2010-02-04 16:17:28

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Re: Automate Bot

spherorama wrote:

What do you think about this solution? http://www.thegadgetworks.com/index.html

Useless for advanced panoshooting.

best, Klaus


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#12 2010-02-04 17:05:21

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Re: Automate Bot

spherorama wrote:

Andrea,
as far as I understood this robot from Seitz moves the panoramic head hotizontally. All the vertical adjustments you have to do by hand.

I´ve been shooting with it sometimes. Not really stable and much too expensive for a one-axis motor.
It´s advantages are speed and a small footprint. But 1800.- € . . . . . no way. They charge 53.- € for 1,6m cable head release and about 100.- € for the camera release cable . . . lol

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#13 2010-02-04 17:38:34

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Re: Automate Bot

klausesser wrote:

spherorama wrote:

Andrea,
as far as I understood this robot from Seitz moves the panoramic head hotizontally. All the vertical adjustments you have to do by hand.

I´ve been shooting with it sometimes. Not really stable and much too expensive for a one-axis motor.
It´s advantages are speed and a small footprint. But 1800.- € . . . . . no way. They charge 53.- € for 1,6m cable head release and about 100.- € for the camera release cable . . . lol

best, Klaus

I'd rather have one of these - it is not exactly cheap either, but less expensive than the Roundshot or the PanoMachine, and it looks pretty good to me:
http://www.autopano.net/forum/p58253-20 … -54#p58253


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Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket
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#14 2010-02-04 18:13:56

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Re: Automate Bot

mediavets wrote:

I'd rather have one of these - it is not exactly cheap either, but less expensive than the Roundshot or the PanoMachine, and it looks pretty good to me:
http://www.autopano.net/forum/p58253-20 … -54#p58253

Looks GOOD!! Fine with fisheyes!

best, Klaus


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#15 2010-02-05 11:42:56

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Re: Automate Bot

klausesser wrote:

spherorama wrote:

What do you think about this solution? http://www.thegadgetworks.com/index.html

Useless for advanced panoshooting.

best, Klaus

agreed - I have one of these - extremely inaccurate, the control is based only on motor speed, there is no encoding to guarantee the degrees of rotation on either axis, prone to problems on each interface (bluetooth, camera control, rotation accuracy)

jake

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#16 2010-02-05 11:53:14

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Re: Automate Bot

OffrediAndrea wrote:

mediavets wrote:

OffrediAndrea wrote:

I have it, and is very different about Merlin...

Benefits: Work with external sensors

How might you use that?

Photo animal trap for example

or to photograph all those who pass front your house when you're at work.... I dont Know.. is necessary imagination, but you can do it.

At that price, might as well acquire a TimeMachine from http://www.bmumford.com/photo/camctlr.html

far more flexibility for triggered photos, and can also interface with motion control systemes

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#17 2010-02-05 12:14:33

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Re: Automate Bot

jake.carvey wrote:

OffrediAndrea wrote:

mediavets wrote:

How might you use that?

Photo animal trap for example

or to photograph all those who pass front your house when you're at work.... I dont Know.. is necessary imagination, but you can do it.

At that price, might as well acquire a TimeMachine from http://www.bmumford.com/photo/camctlr.html

far more flexibility for triggered photos, and can also interface with motion control systemes

Is the same, i dont use that fuction, but if you want you can write a little program in automate lenguage (very simple lenguage but with condition loop etc) and launch it in automatic when your sensor reveal motion (or sound etc etc)

I'm not saying that automation is the best thing to do everyting, but it is handy to do many things, especially because it is small and flexible.

The big problem is for multiline that need to accommodate the pupil entry (360 or cilindrical multirow with close object), In that case nedded manual corrections,is possible  calculate the new height and the new position of the track (I have an Excel sheet of corrections), but it is not practical...
and Merlin is better fot that, so I ordered one.

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