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#51 2010-01-07 19:36:59

viktorhotel
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Re: Warning: buggy new firmware skywatcher multifunction head

Hi Matt,

It is important that you use an adapter with TTL-Output-Level(5V) NOT with RS232(12V) !!!
The 12V levels will kill your MC board !

YOUR IOGEAR ADAPTER SEEMS TO HAVE NO TTL OUTPUT !

I don't know if other USB_serial_TTL converters will work.

Regards,
Volker

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#52 2010-01-07 19:37:30

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Re: Warning: buggy new firmware skywatcher multifunction head

Also FTDI makes a cable that integrated the converter chip in the USB connector. USB on one side, 5V TTL on the other. Just add resistors, splice in an RJ11 or RJ12 and you're good to go. I just did one and it worked fine, although I didn't need the f/w upgrade.

Code:

http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/EvaluationKits/TTL-232R.htm

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#53 2010-01-07 19:57:43

Matthew Field
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Re: Warning: buggy new firmware skywatcher multifunction head

ah i see duh, i wasn't paying attention to that part

so i guess a 232 to TTL convertor chip (MAX232) in combination with a regular serial port then, something like this:

http://www.seattlerobotics.org/encoder/aug97/cable.html


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#54 2010-01-07 20:48:32

FelixAutopano
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Re: Warning: buggy new firmware skywatcher multifunction head

Hell to all,
some good news here for me. But with some questions.
What is the cheapest way to upgrade my firmware.
I don't want (I am not able) to make something like this http://www.autopano.net/wiki-fr/action/ … matic1.png. Isn't some simplier solution how to connect PC with Merlin only to make the firmware upgrade? (I still have PC with real Serial port).


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#55 2010-01-07 21:01:59

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Re: Warning: buggy new firmware skywatcher multifunction head

FelixAutopano wrote:

Hell to all,
some good news here for me. But with some questions.
What is the cheapest way to upgrade my firmware.
I don't want (I am not able) to make something like this http://www.autopano.net/wiki-fr/action/ … matic1.png. Isn't some simplier solution how to connect PC with Merlin only to make the firmware upgrade? (I still have PC with real Serial port).

I've little bit googled some info and I think I can answer myself: NO, it isn't other way. The Serial port works -12V/+12V but Merlin with 5V. Am I right? Because of this I need to build the MAX232 something.


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#56 2010-01-07 21:23:41

Matthew Field
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Re: Warning: buggy new firmware skywatcher multifunction head

The link i posted suggests that all you need is a MAX232 and 5 capacitors to convert to TTL from a regular serial port, not the much larger circuit above, I would (and will) buy those 6 components first and try that, they total less than $2.00. The important bit - the 12V to 5V drop - is completely handled by the MAX232 so the worst that can happen is you don't get decent comms established, you aren't going to break anything by trying the simpler circuit first. If it doesn't work fully you can add on the extra components to make the larger circuit.

Usual disclaimer: your mileage may vary and i'd have someone else confirm that assessment first as I haven't dealt with TTL since high school.


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#57 2010-01-07 21:30:13

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#58 2010-01-07 23:06:17

UrsaMinor
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Re: Warning: buggy new firmware skywatcher multifunction head

Hello Merlin users,

We (Together with Teleskop-Austria) are in contact with Synta, and I try to help them to modify their Firmware uploader program to operate with our bluetooth interfaces.

Tamas

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#59 2010-01-07 23:11:15

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Re: Warning: buggy new firmware skywatcher multifunction head

Hello all,

If you want to destroy you Merlin and or our PC ... continue this way ! You will not be the first ...lol

More seriously, only a "USB to TTL 5V convertor" will work !
I recommand the "TTL-232R-5V" (USB to UART cable with +5V TTL level UART signals) or derivate(like the one of Volker "viktorhotel")
You can get "worldwide" and cost nearly "nope" FTDI has a "worldwide" presence ....
You can follow my post:
http://www.autopano.net/forum/p57035-to … -19#p57035

And buy a TTL-232R-5V from FTDI ... exemple in the UK:
http://apple.clickandbuild.com/cnb/shop … egoryID=47
The TTL-232R-5V-WE (wired end) is also good:
http://apple.clickandbuild.com/cnb/shop … egoryID=47
What I suggest is :
1. make the inventory of Merlin users with their Firmware version
2. send them "Ready to use" convertors for upgrading the firmware, each of you will send the convertor to the next user according a "formal schedule" .
This will minimize the costs ...
OK ?

Another solution is to scan the Database or users for FTDI and you will see where they live, take contact with them in order to get their cable/convertor just the time for the Firmware upgrade !

http://www.autopano.net/wiki-en/action/ … s_feedback

We are a cummunity and this is not for peanuts !!!

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#60 2010-01-07 23:17:38

UrsaMinor
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Re: Warning: buggy new firmware skywatcher multifunction head

Hello!

I've made a test, the Merlin updated successfully.

I used a FTDI based interface cable. Mine is similar than yours, but instead of 220 ohms, I use 470 ohms.
I updated the merlin with program downloaded from Teleskop-Austria.
After updated, the Merlin works well, I doesn't noticed the positioning and speed problem!

Tamas

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#61 2010-01-07 23:20:24

UrsaMinor
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Re: Warning: buggy new firmware skywatcher multifunction head

The firmware can be checked with my Terminal program. Just send the :e1 command. Yes, it is not so user firendly, but it operates with Bluetooth and you can use it right now.
I'll make an easier to use program soon...

After the firmware upgraded, it looks: ":e1=020681"

Tamas

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#62 2010-01-07 23:29:26

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Re: Warning: buggy new firmware skywatcher multifunction head

Hello Claude,

I can suggest you a third option:

I try to help Synta to improve their uploader program to work it with our bluetooth modules.
If we can do it, it should be the third (and hopefully the best) option.

Tamas

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#63 2010-01-07 23:41:51

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Re: Warning: buggy new firmware skywatcher multifunction head

Hello Tamas,

This will be of course the best solution ! I full agree with you !!! smile

But "good luck with the chineese", Do you know that this firmware update programme  exist as such since more then 10 years ago ?

Thanks anyway for the job done ! big_smile

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#64 2010-01-08 14:49:44

viktorhotel
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Re: Warning: buggy new firmware skywatcher multifunction head

Hi,

Firmwareupdates via bluetooth ?
I can't recommend this.
If we have a safe and wired connection the possiblity of an aborted firmware upgrade is minimized.
With bluetooth we have much more possible failures.

Regards,
Volker

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#65 2010-01-08 16:15:52

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Re: Warning: buggy new firmware skywatcher multifunction head

The risk also depends if the flashing process can be interrupted or not... Don't know how it works, here.


Frédéric

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#66 2010-01-10 14:07:54

Briger
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Re: Warning: buggy new firmware skywatcher multifunction head

Hello all.

I have try the Update today with a FTDI based interface cable and TA Update Software, no Problem. Terminal now say me the new Version is loadet on the Merlin.(:e1) Hope for better Weather to try it Outdoor. :-)

Patrick


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#67 2010-01-10 16:55:29

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Re: Warning: buggy new firmware skywatcher multifunction head

C'est super Patrick ... smile


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#68 2010-01-10 17:54:09

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Re: Warning: buggy new firmware skywatcher multifunction head

Hi,
I just made the update from "bad" to "good" with a real serial adapter (max232) with no problems. With the old firmware I had to wait a couple of seconds before the motor reached the next position, now it's working much faster...

Thank you Claude and Tamas for your effort!

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#69 2010-01-10 18:11:10

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Re: Warning: buggy new firmware skywatcher multifunction head

Very happy for you Manfred smile


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#70 2010-01-10 19:00:14

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Re: Warning: buggy new firmware skywatcher multifunction head

This MAX232 based kit seems like a good buy for those in Canada/US who are confident enough with a small amount of soldering

S232 TTL Convertor, Adapter Kit MAX232, $6.99
http://www.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=3528372

They have another one as well http://www.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=3527176 but its more expensive and doesn't seem to contain a chip so I am not quite sure how that one would be any better.


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#71 2010-01-10 19:37:16

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Re: Warning: buggy new firmware skywatcher multifunction head

I'm just wondering if this update will work on the original merlin and would there be a speed increase, or is it only a firmware update for the new merlin?

Best
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#72 2010-01-10 20:28:07

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Re: Warning: buggy new firmware skywatcher multifunction head

Hello Gordon,

I'm just wondering if this update will work on the original merlin

NO!
The original Merlin has another Motor controler board and should no be updated !

ALL MERLIN WITH FIRMWARE VERSION 01.##.## like the 010581 (01.09.81) SHOULD NOT BE UPGRADED WITH
VERSION 02.##.## !!!!!!
This upgrade could disturb completely your head and it can be IRREVERSIBLE !!!

and would there be a speed increase

NO !

is it only a firmware update for the new merlin ?

YES !
Only for Merlin with VERSION 02.##.## Firmware like the 020581 (02.05.81)
Thats the reason why we have launched the inventory.
According the production periods, we have established that all Merlin before July 2009 have a firmware version 01.##.## like the 010581.

So in your "personal" case, your Merlin have the firmware 010581 wich is a VERY GOOD one !!!
Don't change it !!!


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#73 2010-01-10 20:48:02

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Re: Warning: buggy new firmware skywatcher multifunction head

Hello Matt,

The link that you have mentionned in you post conduct to "RS232 TTL Convertors" who has no power supply convertors and should be used with a "old type" PC with a real RS232 port ...

The ideal convertor you need is a "USB TTL 5V convertor", with such a convertor you have just to add 2 x 220 Ohm resistors and connect to your Merlin one side and to a USB on your PC the other side !
See my post :
http://www.autopano.net/forum/p57035-20 … -19#p57035

You can buy the : TTL-232R-5V
http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/Evalua … L-232R.htm

That you can buy everywhere in the world:
The Convertor with a "0.1" pitch header socket" = TTL-232R-5V
http://apple.clickandbuild.com/cnb/shop … egoryID=47 
The same but with a wire end = TTL-232R-5V-WE ("wire ended")
http://apple.clickandbuild.com/cnb/shop … egoryID=47


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#74 2010-01-10 22:25:10

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Re: Warning: buggy new firmware skywatcher multifunction head

I should have clarified that I already own USB-serial adapters with which to use a MAX232 adapter.

I for one feel much happier about connecting a USB-serial adapter first and then applying any home made voodoo after that rather than messing around with homebuilt circuitry directly on the USB outs of my $3000 macbook pro. I am sure i am not alone in that regard smile At least I am less likely to smoke the USB bus in my laptop this way, as some protection will be afforded by the circuitry in the USB-serial adapter.

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#75 2010-01-11 00:40:14

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Re: Warning: buggy new firmware skywatcher multifunction head

For the American users,

Maybe this module can also be used (+2 resistors 220 Ohms, the RJ12 connector, a USB cable  + all according my schema)
Not tested, so "NO GARANTEE)

http://www.mdfly.com/index.php?main_pag … ucts_id=44


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