is that a free or paid version of zoomify?

also, nice pano, shame theres nothing to truely set the scale, i imagine its alot bigger than it looks

This is the Canadian Natural's Horizon Oilsands Mine

Are you sure this is natural ???

I like your pano kevshu, good quality even at 100%, and fullscreen \o/ The sight reminds of me South Africa, and of the game Crysis :]
Perhaps in the future you can use Set Verticals on the powerline posts to flatten is out a bit, 1 or 2 on each side should do.

Great pano Kevin.  Good looking mine site too.  There seems a lot of debate on the economic viability of Albertan Oilsands with the US labelling them too dirty.  I trust they can keep it up for domestic consumption at least.  Got any panos of Athabascan Uranium mines?

Cheers

Tim

Is the polution natural too ?

kevshu wrote:

taf wrote:

Is the polution natural too ?

It's definitely less than what you would expect. 
Taken from page 5 of http://www.capp.ca/getdoc.aspx?DocID=145799&DT=PDF, the link is a PDF.

How can you trust a doc from a pretoleum company ???
Everybody knows that this kind of mine is a ecological disaster.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oilsands#E … tal_issues

Speak to indian population

taf wrote:

How can you trust a doc from a pretoleum company ???
Everybody knows that this kind of mine is a ecological disaster.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oilsands#E … tal_issues

Speak to indian population

So the wiki references a CAPP document (I guess all the information in that articale can't be trusted, it also references government documents and we know how THEY are....).  It's amazing that it has the same information I posted earlier. 

55. "Environmental challenges and progress in Canada's oil sands". CAPP. April 2008. http://www.capp.ca/getdoc.aspx?DocID=135721

If you believe the wiki, you believe documents from a petroleum company.

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Here's some more information from another wiki.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athabasca_ … f_the_area

Indigenous peoples of the area

Indigenous peoples of the area include the Fort McKay First Nation. The oil sands themselves are located within the boundaries of Treaty 8, signed in 1899. The Fort McKay First Nation has formed several companies to service the oil sands industry and will be developing a mine on their territory.[68] Opposition remaining within the First Nation focuses on environmental stewardship issues.

The the Native population is working within the industry, and starting up their own mine.  Looks like a economic success, better than them just living off the government and not working.  Bitumen occurs naturally in the banks of the Athabasca.  The health problems that are related to Fort Chip (downstream of the Oilsands developments) may be related to development of the Oilsands but it may not be.  There are strict rules in place to release any water into the Athabasca River.  Air Quality is monitored, same with water quality.

Sure environmental issues still exist.  Reclamation is an ongoing process, and progress is being made.  There are buffalo living on reclaimed land by Syncrude.  Canadian Natural made a 76Ha lake to replace the fish habitat that was destroyed when we diverted water around our mine and plant site.  We have to prove that is it a self sufficient eco-system before we can receive approval for our north pit.  It's not just look, the fish are alive, it's a detailed study over a period of time to establish a baseline than proving that the fish population is increasing within the lake.

Here's a link on the Stewardship Award for Environmental Performance that Canadian Natural received for their Compensation Lake.
http://www.capp.ca/energySupply/innovat … nLake.aspx
The picture on that page was before the final dam was complete the water level is now 8 meters higher at the final water elevation.

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Gordon wrote:

The use of panography to document and record environmental issues and the impact we make on this planet is a good thing. I wonder what will be left when they exhaust and complete mining in the area? will this be documented?

Best
Gordon

Of course it is a condition of their mining licenses that they restore the land afterwards - and where is the return for shareholders in doing that? Would make more 'sense' for the mining company to declare bankruptcy when the asset is exhausted.

Gordon wrote:

kevshu wrote:

Looks like a economic success, better than them just living off the government and not working.

My apologies firstly as I'm not exactly sure what your referring to here, but I do believe that most of these comments are myths, but also continue the stereotype of the contemporary native Americans and other groups, ie Jews are rich, African Americans are.... ect

IMHO If we are to inform others, I think we should get to the truth are oil companies bad? no the companies are not bad but the policies and methods employed can be bad and detrimental for and to the environment. The practices involved in gaining resources can be bad environmentally and destructive, the shareholders can also be bad in reinforcing bad management practices/ethos in the collection of said precious mineral resources.

Are any ecologically sound mining companies in existence?

The use of panography to document and record environmental issues and the impact we make on this planet is a good thing. I wonder what will be left when they exhaust and complete mining in the area? will this be documented?

Best
Gordon

I read your reply just before I had to leave my place this morning, and I was bothered by my comment all day you quoted.  You are definitely right.  My comment was rude, and inconsiderate, and it makes to out to be an ass.  I apologize to all that I may have offended.  I definitely did not want to do that.

No mines are ecologically sound.  Oilsands Mines included.  Although progress is being made on reclamation, no site has been fully reclaimed.  That will be the challenge in the future.