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#1 2009-05-17 21:44:22

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Still no User Defined Stacks in 2.0.1

I realy hoped this would finally come up in one of the updates, but nothing so far. I take most Panos with a Canon 30D or 5D and the Peleng Fisheye, and unlike in one of the early Alpha versions, APP dosn't stack my bracketing shots anymore, what is, on several panos so far, quite frustrating.

Would it be so hard to make a option in the Group Window context men, that you can turn selected photos into a stack (and of course, explode the stack again). This realy would save a lot of work on some panos and I could use the new "Single Row" mode again too.

Looking forward to see that in 2.0.2 and kepe up the great work.

Markus

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#2 2009-05-17 22:11:07

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Re: Still no User Defined Stacks in 2.0.1

Markus,

If you used AEB then images should be assigned to BKT stacks.

It works for me with images shot with AEB on a Nikon P5100 compact - the only camera I have with AEB.

But if you bracket manually then it won't work.

Assignment to BKT stacks works (only) from the EV bias value in the EXIF as I understand it.


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Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Nodal Ninja 4 with R-D16, Agno's MrotatorTCS short.
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket, Agno's MrotatorA.
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#3 2009-05-17 23:49:59

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Re: Still no User Defined Stacks in 2.0.1

Are you shooting Av or Manual mode?  Stacks didn't work in Manual mode a while back.  (you had to be in AEB)

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#4 2009-05-18 16:13:37

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Re: Still no User Defined Stacks in 2.0.1

You also have to use the http://www.autopano.net/wiki-en/images-en/8/8b/Analyse_pictures.png select image button. Creating a new group and using add images won't put them into stacks.

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#5 2009-05-18 16:23:22

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Re: Still no User Defined Stacks in 2.0.1

DrSlony wrote:

You also have to use the http://www.autopano.net/wiki-en/images- … ctures.png select image button. Creating a new group and using add images won't put them into stacks.

Well, yes and no.

Here's my test image set for this post

12 images shot with Nikon P5100 compact with FC-E8 FE convertor - 4-around with AEB of 3 steps, -1/0/+1:
http://www.three60views.org.uk/image_se … 100aeb.zip

If on first starting APG 2.0.1 you creat a New Group and use Add images it does not assign them to BKT stacks which is what I would expect - Group 1 in screenshot.

If you then use the Select images button or File/Browse folder it does assign them to BKT stacks, again as expected - Group 2 in screenshot.

But if you then create a New Group and again use Add images it - to my surpirse - does assign the images to BKT stacks - Group 3 in screenshot.

I haven't a clue what's going on....

....

BTW is there a way to 'unassign' a stack? I would like to be able to do that to optionally manually remove selcted images.


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Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Nodal Ninja 4 with R-D16, Agno's MrotatorTCS short.
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket, Agno's MrotatorA.
Merlin/Orion robotic pano head + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800/N810 and Windows 8/XP/2K.

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#6 2009-05-18 17:02:52

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Re: Still no User Defined Stacks in 2.0.1

Andrew yes I noticed that too before, its obviously buggy and I don't see why stacks shouldn't be created using either of those two ways. We need a third button in each group to open up a new panel where we can manipulate stacks.

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#7 2009-05-18 17:15:40

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Re: Still no User Defined Stacks in 2.0.1

DrSlony wrote:

Andrew yes I noticed that too before, its obviously buggy and I don't see why stacks shouldn't be created using either of those two ways.

Agreed.

We need a third button in each group to open up a new panel where we can manipulate stacks.

Yes we do.

We certainly need a more 'flexible' way of assigning images to stacks than solely, and automatically, via the EV bias value in the EXIF.

For example, the Merlin/Papywizard 'group' has developed a way of performing automatic extended exposure bracketing (more extensive a range of bracklets than offered by the built-in AEB) and depending on how that is setupo/implemented by the user currently such images sets may or may not be automatically assigned to stacks by APP/APG v2.x.

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Andrew Stephens
Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Nodal Ninja 4 with R-D16, Agno's MrotatorTCS short.
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket, Agno's MrotatorA.
Merlin/Orion robotic pano head + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800/N810 and Windows 8/XP/2K.

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#8 2009-05-18 21:01:39

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Re: Still no User Defined Stacks in 2.0.1

I always shoot panos in manual mode, and for the ones with AEB on, mostly -2/0/+2. On the 30D it worked nicely with the Peleng on, but not with e 5D now. It only works when I have a lens with contacts so the camera know the aperture, but with the Peleng, the aperture is always 0.0.

We need a third button in each group to open up a new panel where we can manipulate stacks.

This sounds pretty good, I would actually be happy when you can convert selected images to stacks and also explode them, should be 2 more options in the context menu.

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#9 2009-05-18 23:14:45

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Re: Still no User Defined Stacks in 2.0.1

context menu = bad idea because it will be very limiting. Being able to open up a new panel dedicated to stacks will give you much more GUI space and power.

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#10 2009-05-18 23:46:15

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Re: Still no User Defined Stacks in 2.0.1

DrSlony wrote:

context menu = bad idea because it will be very limiting. Being able to open up a new panel dedicated to stacks will give you much more GUI space and power.

You are right.


Andrew Stephens
Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Nodal Ninja 4 with R-D16, Agno's MrotatorTCS short.
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket, Agno's MrotatorA.
Merlin/Orion robotic pano head + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800/N810 and Windows 8/XP/2K.

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#11 2009-05-19 00:10:00

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Re: Still no User Defined Stacks in 2.0.1

geek wrote:

I always shoot panos in manual mode, and for the ones with AEB on, mostly -2/0/+2. On the 30D it worked nicely with the Peleng on, but not with e 5D now. It only works when I have a lens with contacts so the camera know the aperture, but with the Peleng, the aperture is always 0.0.

EXIFtool shows the 5D  has an "AEB Bracket Value" which is the EV change _even in manual mode_ and the "bracket mode" (AEB) and "bracket value" (-64 for -2EV, 0 for 0 EV) So APP could use these values.

There is also a Measured EV -- this is the same for each image in a bracket, but it changes between bracketed sets.  Perhaps this is the elusive "reference" that we all dream of to say how much brighter one shot is than another?  (i.e. this may be related to the EV when the camera's exposure meter is at 0)

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