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#1 2009-02-21 19:14:33

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Focus creep

Shooting on the Merlin with my Nikkor 18-55mm kit zoom lens using manual focus I get focus creep at higher +/- pitch values, the lens retracting and extending under its own weight.

I believe this is common with zoom lenses when you point them up or down?

Anyone got a simple solution?


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Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Nodal Ninja 4 with R-D16, Agno's MrotatorTCS short.
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket, Agno's MrotatorA.
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#2 2009-02-21 20:23:19

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Re: Focus creep

Does this zoom have a rotating ring, or translating one?


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#3 2009-02-21 20:23:21

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Re: Focus creep

I take velcro to stop the lens creeping out or in

Olympus lens: rotating ring


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#4 2009-02-21 21:00:40

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Re: Focus creep

Paul wrote:

I take velcro to stop the lens creeping out or in

Olympus lens: rotating ring

Thanks for the tip Paul.

Another problem I have is the weight of the lens tipping the whole camera/lens downwards and I'm only using a short lightweight zoom lens or the Nikkor 10.5mm and Sigma 8mm lenses.

Does anyone have this problem - and a good solution?

I think a larger mounting platform for the camera might help?

Last edited by mediavets (2009-02-21 21:01:23)


Andrew Stephens
Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Nodal Ninja 4 with R-D16, Agno's MrotatorTCS short.
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket, Agno's MrotatorA.
Merlin/Orion robotic pano head + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800/N810 and Windows 8/XP/2K.

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#5 2009-02-21 21:03:02

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Re: Focus creep

fma38 wrote:

Does this zoom have a rotating ring, or translating one?

I don't understand the question.


Andrew Stephens
Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Nodal Ninja 4 with R-D16, Agno's MrotatorTCS short.
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket, Agno's MrotatorA.
Merlin/Orion robotic pano head + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800/N810 and Windows 8/XP/2K.

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#6 2009-02-21 21:06:23

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Re: Focus creep

Sorry for my frenglish! I was asking if you have to turn the zoom to change it, or to move it forward/backward?


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#7 2009-02-21 21:19:03

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Re: Focus creep

mediavets wrote:

Another problem I have is the weight of the lens tipping the whole camera/lens downwards and I'm only using a short lightweight zoom lens or the Nikkor 10.5mm and Sigma 8mm lenses.

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#8 2009-02-21 21:19:16

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Re: Focus creep

mediavets wrote:

Another problem I have is the weight of the lens tipping the whole camera/lens downwards and I'm only using a short lightweight zoom lens or the Nikkor 10.5mm and Sigma 8mm lenses.
Does anyone have this problem - and a good solution?
I think a larger mounting platform for the camera might help?

The 18-55 is just 265 gram (http://www.dpreview.com/lensreviews/nik … p6_vr_n15/)

Are you talking about a mounting problem on the arm or a "Merlin Disk" problem ?
If mounting the camera on the arm is the problem just add some "postman elastics parts" between the camera and rail.
grtz!
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#9 2009-02-21 21:19:59

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Re: Focus creep

mediavets wrote:

Paul wrote:

I take velcro to stop the lens creeping out or in

Olympus lens: rotating ring

Thanks for the tip Paul.

Another problem I have is the weight of the lens tipping the whole camera/lens downwards and I'm only using a short lightweight zoom lens or the Nikkor 10.5mm and Sigma 8mm lenses.

Does anyone have this problem - and a good solution?

I think a larger mounting platform for the camera might help?

You mean the camera slipping on the vertical arm? It´s a . . we call it "Rutsch-Kupplung" . . . that´s two discs breaking each other not to slip inm the vertical mount. This discs wear out - i have the same problem: the vertical arm sometimes slips a bit.
I guess the discs have to be renewed or the central-screw has to be tightened!?

(don´t know how to explain it correctly in english . . )

best, Klaus

P.S.: in my case it´s because i always move the vertical arm to zero by hand - that weakenes the breaking discs i guess . .

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#10 2009-02-21 21:24:48

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Re: Focus creep

klausesser wrote:

P.S.: in my case it´s because i always move the vertical arm to zero by hand - that weakenes the breaking discs i guess . .

NEVER do this !
Use the Merlin controller in the second hole (AUX) and direct it to the correct position.....

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#11 2009-02-21 21:37:00

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Re: Focus creep

bigwade wrote:

klausesser wrote:

P.S.: in my case it´s because i always move the vertical arm to zero by hand - that weakenes the breaking discs i guess . .

NEVER do this !
Use the Merlin controller in the second hole (AUX) and direct it to the correct position.....

too late my friend - too late . . . . cool

best, Klaus


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#12 2009-02-21 21:59:38

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Re: Focus creep

bigwade wrote:

mediavets wrote:

Another problem I have is the weight of the lens tipping the whole camera/lens downwards and I'm only using a short lightweight zoom lens or the Nikkor 10.5mm and Sigma 8mm lenses.
Does anyone have this problem - and a good solution?
I think a larger mounting platform for the camera might help?

The 18-55 is just 265 gram (http://www.dpreview.com/lensreviews/nik … p6_vr_n15/)

Are you talking about a mounting problem on the arm or a "Merlin Disk" problem ?

Mounting on the arm.

If mounting the camera on the arm is the problem just add some "postman elastics parts" between the camera and rail.
grtz!
Frank

Thanks Frank I'll try elastic bands.

I think part of the issue is that I cannot tighten the camera screw enough because I hacked the plastic part of the large knob off the screw on the dove tail rail (to gain more clearance) so the lever mechanism doesn't work anymore.

Last edited by mediavets (2009-02-21 22:00:50)


Andrew Stephens
Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Nodal Ninja 4 with R-D16, Agno's MrotatorTCS short.
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket, Agno's MrotatorA.
Merlin/Orion robotic pano head + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800/N810 and Windows 8/XP/2K.

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#13 2009-02-21 22:08:20

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Re: Focus creep

klausesser wrote:

too late my friend - too late . . . . cool
best, Klaus

Hey man,
sorry to hear..
But with this , what was it, 70K Euro projects for a 20 meter print :-))))))),
I'm sure you can afford a second Merlin. smile)

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#14 2009-02-21 22:11:41

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Re: Focus creep

mediavets wrote:

I think part of the issue is that I cannot tighten the camera screw enough because I hacked the plastic part of the large knob off the screw on the dove tail rail (to gain more clearance) so the lever mechanism doesn't work anymore.

Andrew, find another/better camera screw or go to a DIY shop to find a 1/4 thread screw.

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#15 2009-02-21 22:20:07

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Re: Focus creep

bigwade wrote:

But with this , what was it, 70K Euro projects for a 20 meter print :-))))))),

Oh - yes . . how could i forget . . . i´ll be ordering 50 Merlins rights away on monday for having spare friction-clutch discs . . . tonguecool

best to you, Klaus


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#16 2009-02-21 22:31:17

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Re: Focus creep

klausesser wrote:

Oh - yes . . how could i forget . . . i´ll be ordering 50 Merlins rights away on monday for having spare friction-clutch discs . . . tonguecool
best to you, Klaus

Hey, Hey, PLEASE DON'T smile
Lajos and team from teleskop-austria will close the stores for 8 weeks again to go on holiday smile if you do that.
And people have to wait much more time for their BT modules and more...... smile

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