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#1 2013-02-12 22:41:52

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Rendering Problems

Hello,
today I wanted to render a panorama, which is about 4 Gigapixel big. Before rendering the full size, I rendered it with 10% of the full size.
Everything looked ok, but as I looked at the full rendered panorama in Photoshop, there were theses stange stribes across the panorama.

I tried 2.6 and the 3 demo, but with the same result.
Is there a problem with Windows 8, because before I changed from Windows 7 to 8, everything worked fine, or did I something wrong by installing the software?

My System:
Intel Core i5-2400
16GB RAM
Windows 8 64bit
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660
1.5 TB free HDD

EDIT:
My problems are getting bigger and bigger. Today I wanted to stich a panorama with the      autodetection, but I get everytime an error-message:

Error reading B:/_Panorama/Nilljochhütte/DSC02000.jpg
Error GFL: „GFL_ERROR_FILE_READ“
File: „B:/_Panorama/Nilljochhütte/DSC02000.jpg“

Does anyone know how to fix these problems/bugs?


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#2 2013-02-13 20:20:04

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Re: Rendering Problems

How many photos at which resolution this panorama is made of?


is the file DSC02000.jpg still looking fine?


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#3 2013-02-13 20:57:35

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Re: Rendering Problems

Yes, all pictures are ok, I can open them in every pictureviewer without any problems.
The first panorama, which I posted here, is 4,3 gigapixel big and exists of 273 pictures (5184x3456).
The other panorama has 562 pictures (4592x3056) and should be about 5-6 gigapixel large.

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#4 2013-02-14 09:33:36

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Re: Rendering Problems

Hello,

Concerning the rendering issue, could you please tell us which output format did you use (TIFF, psd...) ? If you only tried the psd, then you might try another format to check if the issue is only related to psd format.

Regarding the file read error, could you please send us the image 'B:/_Panorama/Nilljochhütte/DSC02000.jpg' by mail or ftp (http://www.kolor.com/forum/t766-ftp-server), so that we can check the loading process ?

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#5 2013-02-14 11:25:30

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Re: Rendering Problems

Hello,
The problem is, that the panorama has a size of 118031x37185, so I only can choose psb, because it's to big for TIFF and jpg.
Because of the reading error I uploaded the picture to the ftp-server (GFL_ERROR_FILE_READ.zip).

EDIT: I solved the reading error, by copying the pictures to another harddrive. But I don't know why that solved it.

Thanks for your answers
Regards,
Lucas

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#6 2013-02-14 13:33:13

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Re: Rendering Problems

Thanks for the picture. I just gave a look at it, and it seems ok. I think your harddrive is having troubles... It explains why the file read error, and it can also be the cause of the rendering problem.
You might try to move all your pictures to a new harddrive, and render again your pano (at 10%) to see if the defaults disappear.

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Thomas

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#7 2013-02-14 19:49:06

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Re: Rendering Problems

Alpenpixel wrote:

Hello,
The problem is, that the panorama has a size of 118031x37185, so I only can choose psb, because it's to big for TIFF and jpg.
Because of the reading error I uploaded the picture to the ftp-server (GFL_ERROR_FILE_READ.zip).

EDIT: I solved the reading error, by copying the pictures to another harddrive. But I don't know why that solved it.

Thanks for your answers
Regards,
Lucas

sounds like the first harddrive was not healthy anymore. That is one  of the reasons I use SSD's for sourcefiles and tempfiles while processing.


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#8 2013-02-14 20:30:30

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Re: Rendering Problems

So I rendered the panorama with my other harddrives, the 10% panorama looks fine but the 100% panorama has still these stribes.

SSD's are too expensive for me, because I would need about 300 GB or more, and I'm a 17 years old student, but I'm sure they will come some day smile

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Lucas

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#9 2013-02-14 22:34:18

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Re: Rendering Problems

After thinking a bit about it, my thoughts are, that the panorama with 10% is saved as a .psd and the full sized panorama is saved as a .psb.
Could it be, that there is a problem with my psb-codec?

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Lucas

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#10 2013-02-15 18:30:11

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Re: Rendering Problems

Try a different format at 100% or upload the psb for us to check


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#11 2013-02-15 19:09:22

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Re: Rendering Problems

The psb file is about 16GB big, so I think it's a little bit to big for uploading.
At the full size I think I only can choose .psb or .kro, which I cannot open in Photoshop, so I'm stuck to psb.

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Lucas

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#12 2013-02-15 22:04:28

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Re: Rendering Problems

Hi Lucas
Have you installed Win8 new from the scratch or upgraded the old Win7 installation ?
These problems looks like relating to the drivers of your graphic card.
Have you updated all your drivers, specially the driver for the GTX660 ?
Have you updated the CS6 for Win8 ?
Are you sure that the problem is in the render result of APG and not in the graphic viewer of PS6 ?

Try to render only a portion of your pano but at 100% and to JPG.


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#13 2013-02-16 19:15:41

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Re: Rendering Problems

Hello Martin
I have installed a clean Windows 7 and upgraded it to 8.
I have updated my GTX660 drivers and Photoshop, but the stribes are still there.
The result of a 100% jpg looks good.

Regards
Lucas


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#14 2013-02-16 21:37:30

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Re: Rendering Problems

Hi Lucas
I have no experiences with upgrades to Win8, but I know a lot of graphic issues when upgraded from Vista to Win7.
To avoid from such problems, I suggest to make a clean install from the scratch for Win8.

Your problem may be related to some driver, software or codec compatibility problems because of the upgrade.
Or it can be related also to a file system and harddisk problem, eg. when your drives aren't fast enough.

Btw. I check your JPG. It isn't as sharp as it can be. This is also because you shoot at f/14, you have some diffraction. So you will not lose some image information when rendering the pano at 50% (see below). If you downsize your panos to 50%, you will have tack sharp images. Try it out.


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#15 2013-02-17 09:32:22

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Re: Rendering Problems

Hi Martin
The problem is, that I bought the upgrade as download, so I can only install Win7 and then upgrade to 8.
But all the drivers and programs were installed on Windows 8.

I disabled the GPU in Photoshop, but with no changes, so I think it's not the graphics card.
Windows and Photoshop are running on a SSD and the photos and panoramas are saved on two HHDs combined to RAID 0. So I think they should be fast enough.

Because of the unsharp panorama, I compared the orginal photo with the panorama, they are much sharper. But probably, because I haven't figured out the optimal settings.
Also I haven't done the lens and other corrections.

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Lucas


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#16 2013-02-17 12:20:27

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Re: Rendering Problems

Hi Lucas
Your system sounds good. Sometimes Soft RAID controllers can make troubles because of driver incompatibility. Have you upgraded your BIOS for Windows 8 ?

Have you install some special codec pack, earlier on Win7 or new on Win8 ? The GFL error above is from the graphic file library.

Afaik there is a possibility to install Windows 8 new also with the Upgrade download.
For this you must burn the Upgrade download (ISO) on a DVD and start windows from DVD.
The installer check for the previous version, and then install Windows 8 new from scratch.
But be carefully to not lose your datas on the system disk!

If you won't do this, a new installation of APG and Photoshop may be solve the problem.
First try out what happens when you render a part of the pano at 100% to TIF and PSD.
Try to render with the default settings for giga pano. This unsharp issue should not happens with the default settings.

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#17 2013-02-17 13:45:44

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Re: Rendering Problems

Hi Martin
The RAID can't cause the problems, because I installed them yesterday.
I don't think, that I installed special codec packs.
I reinstalled APG and Photoshop, but nothing changed.
A PSD at 100% looks fine.

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Lucas

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#18 2013-02-17 14:19:08

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Re: Rendering Problems

Hi Lucas
I have had some problems with a soft RAID on a older machine that first runs Vista. After installing Win7, there were a lot of problems with the filesystem on the RAID-Arrays. I found a BIOS-version with a newer RAID-driver and after update the BIOS, the errors were gone away.

Have you done a clean reinstallation of APG and PS (clean registry, reinstalling as administrator)?

Try to render bigger parts of the pano until the error occurs again. Try PSD, PSB and TIF. At which pano size and file size the problems begin?


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Martin

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#19 2013-02-17 15:28:55

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Re: Rendering Problems

Hi Martin
I've cut the panorama into five parts, rendered them and put them in Photoshop together without any problems.
I forgot to clean the registry, but I will do this.
Yesterday I checked the BIOS for updates, before installing the RAID, so that should be ok.

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Lucas

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#20 2013-02-17 22:20:49

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Re: Rendering Problems

Hi Lucas
Sure you use the x64 version of APG and PS ?
Find the point (size) where the problems start.


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Martin

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#21 2013-02-18 16:56:01

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Re: Rendering Problems

I Just rendered the panorama again and the stribes dissapeared.
But I've no clue what solved the problem, but maybe the registry.

Thank you for all your support and answers
Regards
Lucas

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#22 2013-02-18 20:16:50

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Re: Rendering Problems

Hi Lucas
There was probably something mess in the registry after the Upgrade. Well, if it's now ok wink


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Martin

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