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#1 2012-12-31 23:41:45

Halphday
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Settings to see through those windows with LDR

I have been trying to find a way with LDR to get a good exposure through the window to a sunny day outside. I have been following the directions on this page, using mutiple exposure,
http://www.autopano.net/wiki-en/action/ … low_case_B
But, I cannot find from where to find these settings as the image shows 3/4 down the page under -Example 3, Settings;
I have looked under settings in all the links to adjust the settings, but have yet to see these options available to select or deselect which images are used, as shown.
Any help would be appreciated.
Happy New Year Everyone!

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#2 2013-01-01 00:36:21

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Re: Settings to see through those windows with LDR

Halphday wrote:

I have been trying to find a way with LDR to get a good exposure through the window to a sunny day outside. I have been following the directions on this page, using mutiple exposure,
http://www.autopano.net/wiki-en/action/ … low_case_B
But, I cannot find from where to find these settings as the image shows 3/4 down the page under -Example 3, Settings;
I have looked under settings in all the links to adjust the settings, but have yet to see these options available to select or deselect which images are used, as shown.
Any help would be appreciated.
Happy New Year Everyone!

Did you shoot bracketed? (sorry - i overread that).

Did you find the "fusion" settings?

best, Klaus


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#3 2013-01-01 00:54:55

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Re: Settings to see through those windows with LDR

Halphday wrote:

I have been trying to find a way with LDR to get a good exposure through the window to a sunny day outside. I have been following the directions on this page, using mutiple exposure,
http://www.autopano.net/wiki-en/action/ … low_case_B
But, I cannot find from where to find these settings as the image shows 3/4 down the page under -Example 3, Settings;
I have looked under settings in all the links to adjust the settings, but have yet to see these options available to select or deselect which images are used, as shown.
Any help would be appreciated.
Happy New Year Everyone!

Which version of Autopano do you have Pro or Giga?  Pro lacks customisable fusion options (see second screenshot below)

In Giga you find the settings you seek here; Edit/Settings/Render:


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#4 2013-01-01 01:04:19

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Re: Settings to see through those windows with LDR

mediavets wrote:

Halphday wrote:

I have been trying to find a way with LDR to get a good exposure through the window to a sunny day outside. I have been following the directions on this page, using mutiple exposure,
http://www.autopano.net/wiki-en/action/ … low_case_B
But, I cannot find from where to find these settings as the image shows 3/4 down the page under -Example 3, Settings;
I have looked under settings in all the links to adjust the settings, but have yet to see these options available to select or deselect which images are used, as shown.
Any help would be appreciated.
Happy New Year Everyone!

Which version of Autopano do you have Pro or Giga?

In Giga you find the settings you seek here; Edit/Settings/Render:

I wasn´t sure what he meant . .

best and happy new year,  Klaus


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#5 2013-01-01 20:03:02

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Re: Settings to see through those windows with LDR

Thanks for the quick reply.  yes, i am using barketing. I still can not navigate to do as directed. "We must check that both bracketed pictures have been added in different layers to avoid the LDR color correction to deal on these images (color correction must be set by layers).
Regards, Kevin .

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#6 2013-01-01 20:49:21

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Re: Settings to see through those windows with LDR

Halphday wrote:

Thanks for the quick reply.  yes, i am using barketing. I still can not navigate to do as directed. "We must check that both bracketed pictures have been added in different layers to avoid the LDR color correction to deal on these images (color correction must be set by layers).
Regards, Kevin .

starting autopano giga.
in settings make sure that auto-detection is disabled.
file -> select images -> choose your images. make sure all brackets images are selected and added.
in group window now mark all images (CRTL+A)
right mouseclick -> create stack by N... select the number of brackets you use and set the reference image to the middle one (counter starts with 0)
detect the pano
now open the detected pano. here in bottom you find the Layers window there should be N_0 and others...
Georg

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#7 2013-01-02 18:36:13

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Re: Settings to see through those windows with LDR

Ohhhh! Thank you, I see it now! I will take some new bracketed panos today, since the sun is finally showing here on Vancouver Island today! I will be pretty excited if I can accomplish this endeavor to see inside and outside in my panos.
Thanks again.
Kevin

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#8 2013-01-03 03:40:26

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Re: Settings to see through those windows with LDR

My first try to use exposure fusion. I `m not there yet. I hope this will work in the end. My photos were done in jpg. I assume i should use tiff from what I`ve read here.
I have ghosting in my shots from the other exposures.(gpic group 13 in the tour shown below), is there a good tutorial on the settings you just located for me to use, to figure out how to turn off the images with the exosure that doesn`t work in the room? I know it would be difficult to explain on a forum.
Also, when i use the level adjustments in auto, the picture doesn`t adjust to the setting like it shows inthe video showing what`s new in giga 3.0. Perhaps because i am using windows xp, 32 bit?
I will work at it some more, here is a sample of as well i could do with E.F. today.
http://www.johnsonsvirtualtours.com/exp … ltour.html
Kevin

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#9 2013-01-03 12:58:22

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Re: Settings to see through those windows with LDR

to split up your issues you could fuse the Images external before using autopano.
With win XP and 32bit you finally will reach Memory Limits (2GB filesize/memoryblock) so bracketing than has to be done before. (With 64bit OS this Limit does not exist, here only RAM Memory is the limiting factor)

so you can use EnfuseGUI (http://software.bergmark.com/enfuseGUI/Main.html) for free(donationware) or many other Commercial Software to fuse the Images (photomatix pro, oloneo, PS etc.)
if you try this you will most probably see the same stitching erros on zenith area.
Search the Forum for "NPP", "No parallax Point", "nodal point", "no parallax Errors" ... there are many links to Manuals how to allign your cam/lens in perfect Position.
to solve the Problems on existing Images you can try to set (new) Control Points in the CP Editor. You also can activate "multiple viewpoints" Option to tell autopano that your pano was shot from "multiple" viewpoints (because of not perfect NPP.

if your camera is a Canon or Nikon following device could be interesting for you: promote control http://www.promotesystems.com/products/ … ntrol.html on bottom of this page in last line there are 2 Video demonstrating the promote control. with this device you can get over Limits of your camera (3 brackets etc.). If using Canons you can have luck and use an alternative OS on your Memory disc to set the Limits to 8 or more brackets http://www.magiclantern.fm/

Georg

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#10 2013-01-03 18:49:16

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Re: Settings to see through those windows with LDR

At least you have straightened me out into another direction. I haven`t had troubles with nodal point really, until trying bracketing, I thought the problem was software related. perhaps I overlooked the setup slightly, or bumped the tripod. I use a Nikon D90,4.5mm F2.8 EX DC HSM Circular Fisheye lens, and  1 Bracket45FR+Rotator "M" Kit Head rotator with a SB-900 speedlight. I was having difficulty with the proper exposures  being limited to 3 exposures 2 stops apart. I am pretty new to using a camera, so this part is a struggle to say the least. I shall continue to get a path to reliable results. Thanks for your help.

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#11 2013-01-03 19:03:31

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Re: Settings to see through those windows with LDR

Halphday wrote:

I use a Nikon D90,4.5mm F2.8 EX DC HSM Circular Fisheye lens, and  1 Bracket45FR+Rotator "M" Kit Head rotator with a SB-900 speedlight. .

Are you using the flash when shooting panos?

Do you just shoot 3-around?


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Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket, Agno's MrotatorA.
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#12 2013-01-04 04:20:36

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Re: Settings to see through those windows with LDR

yes, i just shoot 3 for a complete pano. i use the flash in rooms or areas that require more light, with a difusser.

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#13 2013-01-04 10:15:54

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Re: Settings to see through those windows with LDR

Halphday wrote:

yes, i just shoot 3 for a complete pano.

There must be very little overlap, if any, at the zenith?

i use the flash in rooms or areas that require more light, with a difusser.

With exposure bracketing as well?

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Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Nodal Ninja 4 with R-D16, Agno's MrotatorTCS short.
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket, Agno's MrotatorA.
Merlin/Orion robotic pano head + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800/N810 and Windows 8/XP/2K.

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#14 2013-01-04 19:37:23

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Re: Settings to see through those windows with LDR

There must be very little overlap, if any, at the zenith?
I started out shooting 4 shots around until a mentor who advised me on which equipment to get, told me 4 isn`t neccesary, try 3. I found the results were pretty much the same. the speedlight is pointing up, so the ceiling is well lite, thats ok. The zenith is fine for me-
http://www.johnsonsvirtualtours.com/gla … ltour.html
With exposure bracketing as well?
I have been using the same process since, including with exposure bracketing, however, i haven`t had good results with that yet, due in part to my photography, and I will try next to use tiffs, keep my files  under 2GB, and be more carefull with the nodal point. As Georg suggested, I will try to use
EnfuseGUI.
Kevin

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#15 2013-01-04 20:21:05

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Re: Settings to see through those windows with LDR

A small advice: you should perfect your NPP setup a little. Have a look at the image below.
It's from http://www.easypano.com/forum/display_t … Position=1

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#16 2013-01-04 22:28:37

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Re: Settings to see through those windows with LDR

Leif, I just looked at some of your pano. Remarkable. Are most or all of those you have on your site done with HDR or exposure fusion? Thanks for the tip, I`ll work on that as well. Much appreciated. May I share a link to your site on my facebook?

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#17 2013-01-06 10:57:58

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Re: Settings to see through those windows with LDR

Halphday wrote:

At least you have straightened me out into another direction. I haven`t had troubles with nodal point really, until trying bracketing, I thought the problem was software related. perhaps I overlooked the setup slightly, or bumped the tripod. I use a Nikon D90,4.5mm F2.8 EX DC HSM Circular Fisheye lens, and  1 Bracket45FR+Rotator "M" Kit Head rotator with a SB-900 speedlight. I was having difficulty with the proper exposures  being limited to 3 exposures 2 stops apart. I am pretty new to using a camera, so this part is a struggle to say the least. I shall continue to get a path to reliable results. Thanks for your help.

If you had no problems with nodal point so far, you might want to tell autopano to look for cp's in the reference images only.

Edit->settings->detection->Links-> Detect links in : reference level only


Regards,  Hans Keesom
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#18 2013-01-06 13:27:30

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Re: Settings to see through those windows with LDR

Halphday wrote:

i use the flash in rooms or areas that require more light, with a difusser.

Don´t do it. It´s unnecessary when you use bracketing. Can you tell us more about your bracketing-strategy please?

best, Klaus


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#19 2013-01-11 19:13:34

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Re: Settings to see through those windows with LDR

I have been building my tours without bracketing, and found I had to buy a flash in order to get enough light in the room. Naturally, this does not solve my problem. It is interesting to hear not to use the flash now, but I understand. What I have tried with my Nikon D90 was to set the bracketing to AE only, with  2-(max), 1 normal,2+(max). Camera set to manual, Jpg Fine. I was going to try tiff, but that is not available. I understand I could use raw and convert to tiff, would it make a difference in the end?  I did use the speedlight. I set the exposure for the normal shot. I will try a shooting today and not use the flash as a test to see what results I would get. I assume I would need more exposures than that, esp. if i have a room that is long, and a bright day outside.
Thanks again,
Kevin

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#20 2013-01-11 20:11:43

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Re: Settings to see through those windows with LDR

Halphday wrote:

I have been building my tours without bracketing, and found I had to buy a flash in order to get enough light in the room. Naturally, this does not solve my problem. It is interesting to hear not to use the flash now, but I understand. What I have tried with my Nikon D90 was to set the bracketing to AE only, with  2-(max), 1 normal,2+(max). Camera set to manual, Jpg Fine. I was going to try tiff, but that is not available. I understand I could use raw and convert to tiff, would it make a difference in the end?  I did use the speedlight. I set the exposure for the normal shot. I will try a shooting today and not use the flash as a test to see what results I would get. I assume I would need more exposures than that, esp. if i have a room that is long, and a bright day outside.
Thanks again,
Kevin

depending on light situation on scene...

you can reduce the EV to 1.5 or 1 and shoot in raw. the lower and the higher of the set you than can change the EV via RAW-Converter additional lower an raise... so you get 5 brackets out of 3 images ;-)

Georg

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