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#1 2013-01-02 11:52:11

RT-Visualization
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First experiments with Autopano + Canon EOS1100D + Samyang 8mm

Hello there everyone,
Finally I had a bit of time to experiment with my new DSLR and the fisheye lens that I bought a month ago.
I experimented a bit with "traditional" photography with the fisheye ( really enjoyable to shoot with ) and practising with the DSLR itself, since I'm still an amateur.

So I read a lot on the forum and I tried to have do a full 360x180 shot and so far results are not that bad ( see picture below )

http://i47.tinypic.com/wk3i2t.jpg

Except for some stitching problems ( bottom right mostly ) since I did a custom bracket I can't complain at all

http://i46.tinypic.com/avk6kw.jpg
This is my lovely custom bracket big_smile

Since I would like to improve my shots by adding the nadir and the zenit I need a more accurate annd well built custom bracket, but I saw around that there are some solutions that can solve my problems. Basically with my bracket if I try to add the nadir and the zenit using my bracket it fails to stitch properly because of the NPP, so something more accurate is needed.

Now I need to decide a couple of things:
1. Build a custom bracket by myself ( I need to check if I can find some linear guides not so expansive and a rotative base to get a proper angle between the shots and to attach everything solid to the tripod )
2. Buy an available bracket on the web

Right now my 20€ tripod needs to be replaced with a more stable and better buikld one, so around where I live I found a guy that build them in Aluminium, so for sure it'll be more stable ( price is around 50€ without any "head" to place the camera on, just the "rod" with the screw on the top to attach the actual head...the "head" itself + the tripod is around 100€ )

Now I took a look at the Nodal Ninja  MKII that is available for 210$ ( without the leveling base and the nadir addition ) wich is fair enough.
I found the Panosaur head for around 140$ ( shipping included ) but it says that is not really suitable for the fisheye lenses, but I honestly didn't fully understand why is not suitable, since it looks very similar to the NN3 MKII
Last I found on Amazon the pano-MAXX 360x180 which is very very similar to the NN3 §( price is 190$ )

Now I would like to order the NN3 MKII since it seems the good deal ( don't want to order the Panosaur to find out later that is not the optimal solution ) but there some questions:
The Leveler is really needed? I suppose that what it does of course is leveling the camera in order to have the perfect alignment both horizontal and vertical....but is really needed?
The nadird adapter: basically it flips by 180°...so if I flip the vertical bracket by 180° it would be the same thing I suppose...is just a matter of doing things easier...
One thing I notice ( see the nadir addition example pictures ) is that the entire bracket with the camera attach tends to bend a little bit due to the camera weight...since I'm really worried about the NNP I don't want to buy something that needs to be fixed later on because of stability problems )

Basically I will use my equipment to do 360x180 shots of interiors for hotels/apartments, that is my main goal, and to achieve a good result I know that I need a better bracket to ensure stability and no NNP problems to my shots

What would be the best deal for you? do you think that just the NN3 MKII itself is enough or the leveler would be a good choice as well?

Best regards to anyone smile

Nicolas

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#2 2013-01-02 12:26:25

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Re: First experiments with Autopano + Canon EOS1100D + Samyang 8mm

NN3 MkII with standard detente ring rotator will be OK.

NN4 would be better, esp. if offered with the R-D5 rotator which it isn't as far as I know. The standard (detente ring) rotator is OK, the R-D16 much better but overkill for your camera/lens setup.

Or, if seeking to reduce costs, look at the new Nodal Ninja R-D5 rotator (far superior to the standard rotator on the NN3 MkII for you requirements) and consider whether you could mount a DIY set of arms on top of it. Maybe yiu could even find a way to mount a set of DIY rams on the NN mini rotator R-Mx. DIY upper and lower arms need not be adjustable (unlike commericial offering) if you are making them for a single camera/lens setup.

I have neirther item but I think I would rather have the nadir adapter than the leveler.

I'd certainly prefer a decent tripod - without a clumsy 3-way head - with a leveling centre column than an NN Leveler.

Last edited by mediavets (2013-01-06 10:55:27)


Andrew Stephens
Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Nodal Ninja 4 with R-D16, Agno's MrotatorTCS short.
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket, Agno's MrotatorA.
Merlin/Orion robotic pano head + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800/N810 and Windows 8/XP/2K.

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#3 2013-01-06 10:52:28

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Re: First experiments with Autopano + Canon EOS1100D + Samyang 8mm

Don't forget the nodal ninja nadir adapter, little gem.


Regards,  Hans Keesom
I stitch and render for other photographers see http://tinyurl.com/brxvlhg for details

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#4 2013-01-08 10:36:33

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Re: First experiments with Autopano + Canon EOS1100D + Samyang 8mm

Thanks for the replies
Right now I ordered the Pano-Maxx, one of the main reason is that for the NN3 to ship Italy to Italy the price is a bit ridiculous, so I decided to go with the Pano-Maxx head, since it seems a fair solution.
With my custom bracket, even if not so precise, the results were pretty good, so with this head I suppose that once I setup the nodal point and be able to shot the nadir and the zenith properly I shouldn't have any problems with the NNP, but we'll see.
I check even some Manfrotto tripod available here in my town, and for a reasonable 50€ I can get a pretty solid one, so thats what I need at least for now.

Thanks everyone for the tips smile

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#5 2013-01-08 11:05:32

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Re: First experiments with Autopano + Canon EOS1100D + Samyang 8mm

RT-Visualization wrote:

Right now I ordered the Pano-Maxx, one of the main reason is that for the NN3 to ship Italy to Italy the price is a bit ridiculous..

I thought there was an Italian reseller for Nodal Ninja?:
http://www.360way.it/

Would none of the other European resellers ship to Italy?

Good luck with the Pano-Maxx, I've read mixed reports about it. It will be interesting to hear of you experience.


Andrew Stephens
Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Nodal Ninja 4 with R-D16, Agno's MrotatorTCS short.
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket, Agno's MrotatorA.
Merlin/Orion robotic pano head + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800/N810 and Windows 8/XP/2K.

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#6 2013-01-09 10:46:11

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Re: First experiments with Autopano + Canon EOS1100D + Samyang 8mm

Actually my main concern right now is the weight of the camera that could screw up the position of the camera itself due to the "hanging" and the horizontal alignment of the entire pano-head rig, means that if I notice that the panorama is not straight I need to do some modification, or add a "leveling plate" ( similar to the NN3 ) in order to have a perfect alignment, but overall from the review I've seen it seems that is well built and robust, lacks in documentation about how to assembly it properly, it works better if combined with a proper well built tripod ( a Manfrotto will do the trick ) and overall the main problem would be to find the NPP once everything is setup, but thats something that I need to take care, so I'll do some trial and error before finding the perfect match

I hope theres no need to do modifications, but I'll let you know as soon as the head arrives smile

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