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#1 2012-12-23 05:51:24

Duffer
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Ver 2.0 Always "Any day now"

Ive been holding off on building this huge tour for the past 4 weeks as the talk about the new V2 of Panotour has been floating around for a LONG time.. Would be really nice if some one could give us a bit of a time line.. It would be super frustrating if I spent time building this tour in 1.8 (about 70 nodes!!) only to have 2.0 come out the day I finish...

1) When will the update come out? I get that its hard to say firm dates, but at least a "Not in the next 6 weeks" would be helpfull...

2) Will tours built in 1.8 be able to open and update to 2.0??

thanks

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#2 2012-12-23 08:27:54

HansKeesom
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Re: Ver 2.0 Always "Any day now"

Duffer wrote:

Ive been holding off on building this huge tour for the past 4 weeks as the talk about the new V2 of Panotour has been floating around for a LONG time.. Would be really nice if some one could give us a bit of a time line.. It would be super frustrating if I spent time building this tour in 1.8 (about 70 nodes!!) only to have 2.0 come out the day I finish...

1) When will the update come out? I get that its hard to say firm dates, but at least a "Not in the next 6 weeks" would be helpfull...

2) Will tours built in 1.8 be able to open and update to 2.0??

thanks

Why do you think the time spend in 1.8 will be waisted. 2.0 will have many extra option but the basics will likely be the same. Buikd and deliver the project now and when 2.0 is there you can always add some op the new options. Not likely that time is waisted. Don't make your client wait.

1. It will be there when it is ready, don't hold your breath.
2. What do you think? Of course!


Regards,  Hans Keesom
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#3 2012-12-23 12:19:33

leifs
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Re: Ver 2.0 Always "Any day now"

HansKeesom wrote:

1. It will be there when it is ready, don't hold your breath.

I support this smile

I guess there will be
alpha1, alpha2
beta1, beta2, beta3
RC1, RC2
next summer there will be PT 2.00 (with some bugs)
at last there will be  PT 2.01 and smooth sailing smile

I don't mind being wrong about the timeline.
It would be nice if Kolor said something about it.

Leif


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#4 2012-12-23 19:33:38

Duffer
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Re: Ver 2.0 Always "Any day now"

Well for one As I said this is a HUGE tour, and I want to deliver the best product I can to my client for the $ they are spending. There has been some talk that V2 will have "Node Clusters" that I can add to my map.. Although exactly what this is and how it works is still un known, but in a 70 node tour that is in essence a bunch of smaller tours of different cabins or rooms in a lodge on a big property, I could see this being a big deal.. Now, if I wait a month or even 2, to deliver a better product, both myself and the client are happy to do that as there is benifit. But if that drags out to 6 months or a year then no it does not make sence.. the time involvved is the big factor and that Is ALL I am asking here... please give us a general time frame, we wont hold you to it in any legal sence and we get that Kolor needs to make sure the product is done and up to there standards frist and formost.

Hans, regarding #2 and your responce of "Of coarse, what do you think".. I dont think there is an "of coarse"  involved here at all. Kolor has not said it would or it would not.. There are many things that I woudl htink would be "Of coarse" that are just not so.. For example just today.. I add a map to my tour, add all my markers to it, set them up all how I like (Lucky for me this is not the 70 node tour!) ... Then I notice there are some things I want to change on my map.. So I save a new file in photoshop, and tell the map extra to load my map file.. Now "Of coarse" this woudl just replace the map background image and not delete all my markers... Well guess what.. Wrong. So assuming "Of coarse" is not a wise coarse of action.. (PS Kolor please fix that "bug"!)

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#5 2012-12-23 22:01:33

Gund
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Re: Ver 2.0 Always "Any day now"

70 nodes  - can you show any example in the net how it should look?
Probably it can be done with 1.8 and some extra coding.
Anyway most of the time would go on shooting and stitching panos.
Build a tour now and add necessary changes when V2 comes out. Tell the client - that a tour can be upgraded in the future.

If you need to change the map and you don't want to lose all the hotspots you've already created just overwrite the  file you used as a map and reload the tour. The hotspots will be on your new picture. Although they may be misplaced if you change the size of the map (but it is not so hard to put them back into place)

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#6 2012-12-24 22:55:44

HansKeesom
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Re: Ver 2.0 Always "Any day now"

Duffer wrote:

Well for one As I said this is a HUGE tour, and I want to deliver the best product I can to my client for the $ they are spending. There has been some talk that V2 will have "Node Clusters" that I can add to my map.. Although exactly what this is and how it works is still un known, but in a 70 node tour that is in essence a bunch of smaller tours of different cabins or rooms in a lodge on a big property, I could see this being a big deal.. Now, if I wait a month or even 2, to deliver a better product, both myself and the client are happy to do that as there is benifit. But if that drags out to 6 months or a year then no it does not make sence.. the time involvved is the big factor and that Is ALL I am asking here... please give us a general time frame, we wont hold you to it in any legal sence and we get that Kolor needs to make sure the product is done and up to there standards frist and formost.

Hans, regarding #2 and your responce of "Of coarse, what do you think".. I dont think there is an "of coarse"  involved here at all. Kolor has not said it would or it would not.. There are many things that I woudl htink would be "Of coarse" that are just not so.. For example just today.. I add a map to my tour, add all my markers to it, set them up all how I like (Lucky for me this is not the 70 node tour!) ... Then I notice there are some things I want to change on my map.. So I save a new file in photoshop, and tell the map extra to load my map file.. Now "Of coarse" this woudl just replace the map background image and not delete all my markers... Well guess what.. Wrong. So assuming "Of coarse" is not a wise coarse of action.. (PS Kolor please fix that "bug"!)

My "of course" refered only referred to your second question "2) Will tours built in 1.8 be able to open and update to 2.0??"

Some more philosofical reflections on this : In any profession one has to do the job with the tools one has at that moment. Not the tools one does not have or one will have in the future. Being professional means being skilled with these tools, knowing how and when to use them. When things go wrong, despite of these skills, there is no point in blaming the tools, the tools one does not have or the ones one will have in the future. The best things is to do more reflection on one skills with the tools ............ or decide it is time for a different tool ;-).


Regards,  Hans Keesom
I stitch and render for other photographers see http://tinyurl.com/brxvlhg for details

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#7 2012-12-24 23:39:27

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Re: Ver 2.0 Always "Any day now"

I hope I'm wrong, but...

look at 2.5 and 2.6 autopano files opening in autopano 3.0... crippled & partly working.

if you compare sourcecode of current krpano tours with panotour 1.8 code (having in mind that panotour 2.0 will be official GUI for krpano now) I assume panotour will change most of html sourcecode and I fear it will be easier to cut old ties and finally panotour 2 will not be able to open old panotour 1.x project files.

Georg

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#8 2013-05-12 06:33:33

HansKeesom
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Re: Ver 2.0 Always "Any day now"

gkaefer wrote:

I hope I'm wrong, but...

look at 2.5 and 2.6 autopano files opening in autopano 3.0... crippled & partly working.

if you compare sourcecode of current krpano tours with panotour 1.8 code (having in mind that panotour 2.0 will be official GUI for krpano now) I assume panotour will change most of html sourcecode and I fear it will be easier to cut old ties and finally panotour 2 will not be able to open old panotour 1.x project files.

Georg

html sourcecode is the output of panotour, not the input. Panotourprojectfiles are input.
What happened to autopano 3.0 wasn't the best thing off course, a rather nasty mistake I don't expect they will repeat with panotour sourcefiles.

Meanwhile, we are still waiting......


Regards,  Hans Keesom
I stitch and render for other photographers see http://tinyurl.com/brxvlhg for details

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