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#1 2012-09-22 08:17:44

Twilight
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APP: Percentage of Overlap?

Hi,

Is there a way to determine the percentage overlap of the images in a given panorama?

Thanks,

Jon

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#2 2012-09-22 12:41:38

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Re: APP: Percentage of Overlap?

Twilight wrote:

Hi,

Is there a way to determine the percentage overlap of the images in a given panorama?

Thanks,

Jon

Hi Jon!

The overlap is set on your NPP-adapter. As a rule of thumb usually 20-25% is optimal, but sometimes 30% is appropiate - depends on several things. Using more than 30% can be ok - but also it can produce irritations when you render
the stitch.

best, Klaus

Last edited by klausesser (2012-09-22 12:42:05)


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#3 2012-09-22 20:11:00

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Re: APP: Percentage of Overlap?

Hi Klaus,

I guess I should have been clearer: is there a way in APP to check percentage overlap of two frames of a given panorama? I have several panoramas from back in 2000 when I first started shooting them (and so they are scans of film frames!). I don't have the data any longer as to what lens, head, percentage overlap, etc., I used. I could always do the math, but I thought there might be a fast way of calculating the %.

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Jon

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#4 2012-09-22 21:18:58

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Re: APP: Percentage of Overlap?

Twilight wrote:

Hi Klaus,

I guess I should have been clearer: is there a way in APP to check percentage overlap of two frames of a given panorama? I have several panoramas from back in 2000 when I first started shooting them (and so they are scans of film frames!). I don't have the data any longer as to what lens, head, percentage overlap, etc., I used. I could always do the math, but I thought there might be a fast way of calculating the %.

Thanks,

Jon

Ah - i see! cool

best, Klaus


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#5 2012-09-22 21:20:48

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Re: APP: Percentage of Overlap?

Hi Jon
Why you don't look into two pictures in an photo editor?
Take a characteristic point and count the pixels to the border in each image.
Add this two numbers and you have the overlapping in pixels.
Divide this by the image size and you have the overlapping in percentage.
Easy - or not?


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#6 2012-09-22 22:16:04

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Re: APP: Percentage of Overlap?

Hi Martin,

That's very good! Although, I think after doing the division, you would have to multiply by 100 to get percentage.

I'd like to try an easy example: 24mm lens (Hfov: 74°, Vfov 24°) in portrait orientation. Two frames to make a square (can you tell I miss my Hasselblad? big_smile ). So, finished H and V fov will be 74°. For simplicity's sake, I'm going to say that the image also happens to be V36 x H24 pixels.

For this example, I could count pixels, and calculate a percentage from that: So, I count 8 pixels to characteristic points in this particular set of two images, therefore:

8px + 8px = 16px
8px/24px = .334
.334 x100 = 33% overlap.

Does that make sense?

I guess the place that has always messed me up is the overlap; if you are overlapping two 8px areas, I assumed the finished area would also be 8px. Since you are essentially laying one 8px area over another 8px area. But instead, you add the two.

I got a 4.0 out of a 4.0 in calculus, but I still need a piece of paper and a pencil to do any math! roll

The real reason I'm trying to figure this out is that I print my panoramics; but no calculator lents you define the output format (such as 3:1) and then tell how many frames at what %fov would be best. I need to understand that math. I think I'll make that another post tho'...  smile

Jon

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#7 2012-09-22 22:49:56

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Re: APP: Percentage of Overlap?

The new 3.0beta gives you an overall overlap percentage.  Tho it sounds like maybe you are looking for two specific images within a panorama

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#8 2012-09-22 23:07:31

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Re: APP: Percentage of Overlap?

foundation wrote:

The new 3.0beta gives you an overall overlap percentage.  Tho it sounds like maybe you are looking for two specific images within a panorama

Hi,

I guess I'll have to spring for the upgrade...  big_smile

I'm just using a pair of images in this case, although that could be extrapolated to a full panorama's worth of images.

Thanks!

Jon

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#9 2012-09-23 21:03:04

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Re: APP: Percentage of Overlap?

Twilight wrote:

8px + 8px = 16px
8px/24px = .334
.334 x100 = 33% overlap.

Hi Jon
Your calculation is correct!
But when you only have 8 pixel overlapping between two images (that are normaly 2000-5000 pix wide), I think you have not enough overlapping
to stitch them properly. A good overlapping is something between 10% and 25%. For long focal GIGA panoramas 10% could be ok. When doing
spheres with a fisheye, 25% is the better way.

Last edited by lumelix (2012-09-23 21:03:24)


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