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#1 2012-09-17 14:07:01

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NVIDIA GPU support for APG

Hi

During testing APG 3.0 Beta1, I've noticed a GPU issue. I'm using an NVIDIA EVGA GTX 670 Video Card with the latest 306.23 NVIDIA Drivers on 64bit Windows.

Looking at Settings > General > GPU Processing within APG I see the Reference Picture, but not the OpenGL version of the image.

I've just checked on APG 2.6.4 and see same result, no OpenGL image above the reference pic...

So I'm wondering whether this is a 'feature' of the new Nvidia drivers rather than an APG issue, and whether it means APG can't use the GPU for real work (with the current driver..).  Anyone else seeing same problem..?

Best regards
David.


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#2 2012-09-18 11:08:27

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Re: NVIDIA GPU support for APG

Hello,

In autopano, the GPU is mainly used for the realtime preview. The GPU test you refer to is a small test to see if the GPU can process the preview or not.
It is designed such that if the test fails, there is almost no chance that the realtime preview succeed. Nevertheless, we are a little disappointed because you graphics card is powerful enough to do get the job done. Did you make some tests with other GPU intensive software ? Could you try some diagnostics software such as glview to have an overview of the chipset capabilities ?

Anyway, there can be a chance of having the realtime preview working. Just enable the GPU in the autopano settings, and edit a panorama. If something is displayed, then it's ok to work with it.

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#3 2012-09-18 11:52:36

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Re: NVIDIA GPU support for APG

I can confirm this with my nvidea GTX 260 - It worked until now allways (since 3.0alphas I did not chekc it...)

I get the reference image, but not the GPU... with 2.6.4 and with apg 3.0 beta1
test succeeds with 2.5 version

I've the GTX 260...
and I allways does have more or less crucial issues (general driver resets in windows 7 64bit - independant of using autopano or not....) with using the WHQL certified geforce drivers...
si I decided to take the lates Beta in July 212 (304.79) I've far less issues now! at the time I downloaded it it was the most recent available BETA.

so with 304.79 & GTX 260 the gpu test did succeed with the 2.6 apg (3.0 alpha I didnt test)
now with apg 3.0b1 I get also a "failed" check (see screenshot and with following info:

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#4 2012-09-18 13:01:36

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Re: NVIDIA GPU support for APG

Hi Guys

Thanks for your comments.  I've rolled back to version 301.42 of the NVIDIA drivers... Now APG 2.6.4 and 3.0b1 are happy, I can see the GPU generated reference image and see the GPU working when loading images and viewing the preview screen.

So if this is an issue on the GTX260 too, maybe NVIDIA have introduced an OpenGL problem in the newer drivers...

Best regards
David.


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#5 2012-09-18 16:32:58

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Re: NVIDIA GPU support for APG

DJW wrote:

Hi Guys

Thanks for your comments.  I've rolled back to version 301.42 of the NVIDIA drivers... Now APG 2.6.4 and 3.0b1 are happy, I can see the GPU generated reference image and see the GPU working when loading images and viewing the preview screen.

So if this is an issue on the GTX260 too, maybe NVIDIA have introduced an OpenGL problem in the newer drivers...

Best regards
David.

I can confirm this. After rollback to same 301.42 (WHQL) also my apg 3.0b1 does work with the GTX260 GPU...
Georg


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#6 2012-10-11 17:56:58

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Re: NVIDIA GPU support for APG

Nvidea did yesterday release the WHQL certified driver recommended for Windows 8 - its version 306.97 WHQL

again the GPU check failed with this new driver for autopano 3.0 beta 1 on Windows 7 64bit

the nvidea driver 301.42 is the last one where the GPU test does succeed. This driver is valid for most nvidea cards, so as above reported I assume autopanos GPU test is failing for all nvidea cards with recent drivers since more than 6 months.
I also assume that when this test is failing than the gpu usage inside autopano 3.0 beta 1 will not work properly...

PS: test fails also if I activate compatbility mode

Georg


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#7 2012-10-12 08:53:02

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Re: NVIDIA GPU support for APG

Thanks Georg for reporting that.
We consider it as an issue for us, and we are going to see if we can still improve stability versus driver versions.

Regards,
Thomas

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#8 2012-10-12 14:14:18

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Re: NVIDIA GPU support for APG

I can confirm the problem.
With a GeForce GTX 460, drivers 295.73 and 301.42  are OK with the APG GPU test, with 306.97 the APG test fails.

(Windows 7 64 , APG 2.6.4)

Bernard

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#9 2012-10-15 16:39:45

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Re: NVIDIA GPU support for APG

Tip of the day for posting OpenGL log :
instead of using [quote] text [/quote]
, use  [code] text [/code]
It does add a slider to the text so it prevents you to scroll a lot to go to the next answer.

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#10 2012-10-16 15:00:31

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Re: NVIDIA GPU support for APG

Thanks to all for those valuable feedbacks.

I have just do some test on a GTX 285. As you mentionned, the GPU test succeed with the older drivers and fails with the newer ones.
Nevertheless, the pano preview and the editor behave well in both cases (the pano is rendered nicely) ! As there is no fallback mechanism, when gpu processing is enabled, either the pano is nicely rendered using gpu, either it will be badly displayed.

My conclusion on that is that the result of the GPU test is a hint but not a guarantee for the user on gpu capabilities.

From the results you gave us, and from this explanation, could you please all check what is the behavior of Autopano on your hardware in the editor, having enable gpu processing of course.

Thanks,
Thomas

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#11 2012-10-16 20:06:41

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Re: NVIDIA GPU support for APG

apg 3.0.0 beta 2 ... and with enabled GPU with my Nvidea GTX260 the GPU check "fails" again.
the preview button ... with a 150images pano in preivwe mode changing the level +10 to -10 within milliseconds...the result so I think it works...
Georg

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#12 2012-10-19 16:29:42

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Re: NVIDIA GPU support for APG

I have upgraded my display card to a Nvidia GTX 670 (with 4GB memory smile ) and was a bit nervous about the driver issue discussed above.
There was no reason: I installed the latest driver (version 8.17.13.142) and the APG 3.0b2 render-test was OK out off the box.

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#13 2012-10-19 16:51:42

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Re: NVIDIA GPU support for APG

leifs wrote:

I have upgraded my display card to a Nvidia GTX 670 (with 4GB memory smile ) and was a bit nervous about the driver issue discussed above.
There was no reason: I installed the latest driver (version 8.17.13.142) and the APG 3.0b2 render-test was OK out off the box.

leifs

this driver is 6 months old.
I've the 9.18.13.697 / 2.10.2012 installed(306.97 Drivers)
and the newest available for your 670 is from 10.10.2012 (306.97 Drivers):

32bit: http://www.nvidia.com/object/win8-win7- … river.html
64bit: http://www.nvidia.com/object/win8-win7- … river.html

and these I suspect have the same issue. But I think only the GPU check itself is "broken", the preview and render does work fluent as with my old drivers (with the non broken GPU check). so I think its save to update to newest WHQL certified drivers...

Liebe Gruesse,
Georg

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#14 2012-10-19 21:31:33

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Re: NVIDIA GPU support for APG

I usually don't repair my computer if it's not broken. This time I did, just for the thrill cool
So now I have 9.18.13.697 too, and the APG render test fails. I hope it's the test that's broken, not the card/driver.

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#15 2012-10-19 22:55:13

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Re: NVIDIA GPU support for APG

I did work on a 150 images pano and while deep zooming and than using the preview this calculation is done by GPU... in my case it was fast and worked well, so I really think its only the GPU check itself simulating some troubles... ;-)

Georg

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#16 2012-10-22 08:46:57

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Re: NVIDIA GPU support for APG

Hi Leifs and Georg,

If you see your photographs in the editor and the gpu is activated, then it works! and therefore it is only the test that's failing. From our latest tests, it seems that the test was not compliant with the latest nVidia drivers. This issue will be solved in coming releases.

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Thomas

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