cb_voicu wrote:

Hello,does anybody know how I can use zoomify with virtual tours? for a full-zoom inside the virtual tour! Thank you.

The only thing you need in a virtual tour for a deep zoom is: much resolution. As an example:
uise a 35mm lens on fullframe (or teh equivalent on DX) and make 48 shots@25% overlap. That gives you about 35000px width in the equirectangular image you make an interactive panorama from.
PanoTour Pro generates "tiles" - that means "multiresolution", and that means you can zoom in really deep before you reach 100%. Longer lenses=more shots mean more resolution=deeper zooms=you don´t need zoomify at all

see here:
http://www.360impressions.de/Schadowstrasse/ (85mm, 214images with 5D2).
http://www.360impressions.de/ArchivTausendf/ (35mm, 48 images on 5D2).

best, Klaus

Destiny wrote:

I have a 35mm but using that requires a  need to capture heaps more images, and it takes a lot longer and also my iMac struggles to process so many bracketed images.. A fisheye is a lot quicker, so I will try again with 5 to 9 bracketed shots using what I have.

A 35mm takes   48 images@25% or  45@20% - resulting in 35000px width with a 5D2. So using your D800 you´d get a lot more px.
A 85mm takes 214 images@25% or 200@20% - resulting in 86000px width with a 5D2. So using your D800 you´d get a lot more px
Take it x5 or x7 . . for bracketing . .

When i work on a pano shot with 85mm i get a .PSB file of around 9-13 GB. So using your D800 you´d get some more GB ;-)

You need a very powerfull machine with preferably 32GB of RAM or a SSD-RAID to handle that fluently with Photoshop-editing.

Instead of using 35mm i would try 20mm on the D800 - you have about 24 shots instead of 48 and there should be enough resolution
though.

Btw.: i used today the speed-mode for the first time in real work with my 35mm lens. Needed 1/1000sec to get sharp images for zooming in to 100% - though there was a sensational weather and extremely bright light i couldn´t use f8 as i always do . . had to use f4 and so i missed DOF. If i had used a D800 i guess i would have need 1/1500sec. If i had use the 85mm on the 5D2 . . even 1/2000sec wouldn´t have been safe and DOF near zero nevertheless . . .

I´ll try again with my 20mm lens the next time the weather allows to use 1/500 and f8 for having sufficient DOF covering nearby and also faraway objects . . .

best, Klaus

btw.:
shooting a full sphere with the 35mm resulting in about 700Mpx takes me about 3,15 min with 3-step bracketing in precision mode - guess that´s not too long.
shooting a full sphere with the 35mm resulting in about 700Mpx takes me about 1,02 min without bracketing using the speed-mode.

Last edited by klausesser (2012-07-24 00:36:29)

OK, regarding my question! first I want to thank you for such a quick answer. I am using a D800 with 16 mm Nikkor lens. But what I dont understand from your answer is: how many megabytes should have a panorama when I upload it on the website for best quality(max. zoom) and fast working for the user!? because I know from other post that I should not increse the panorama more then 2.2 megabytes. In this case my echipament  (d800+16mm) can makes a 19000 mpx panorama, but is way to large compare it with the 2.2 megabytes that is recomandet for fast loading, so I reduce the size to 5000/2000 and put the quality to 9 so I will have a panorama under 2 megabytes. my result is this :
http://www.vendras.ro/test/ramada/
but the client ask me if I can make it with more zoom quality!
is there a way I can do for this ? Thank you.

cb_voicu wrote:

OK, regarding my question! first I want to thank you for such a quick answer. I am using a D800 with 16 mm Nikkor lens. But what I dont understand from your answer is: how many megabytes should have a panorama when I upload it on the website for best quality(max. zoom) and fast working for the user!? because I know from other post that I should not increse the panorama more then 2.2 megabytes. In this case my echipament  (d800+16mm) can makes a 19000 mpx panorama, but is way to large compare it with the 2.2 megabytes that is recomandet for fast loading, so I reduce the size to 5000/2000 and put the quality to 9 so I will have a panorama under 2 megabytes. my result is this :
http://www.vendras.ro/test/ramada/
but the client ask me if I can make it with more zoom quality!
is there a way I can do for this ? Thank you.

Panotour/Panotour Pro utilise the krpano Flash Panorama Viewer which supports multi-resolution tiling; conceptually similar to Zoomify.

In essence the Viewer only downloads those tiles needed for the current view and can handle multi-gigapixel panoramas with ease. The 'limit' you mention is irrelevant.

The total size of all the multi-resolution tiles may be gigabytes but performance will be good even on less powerful computers.

See: http://www.paris-26-gigapixels.com/index-en.html

Last edited by mediavets (2012-07-24 10:17:16)

My standard setup for outdoor spheres is now my Olympus E-M5 (16mpixel) and Panasonic Leica 25mm f1.4 @ f8 (50mm fx equivalent).
This results in 91 images, image size 21019x43020 (904Mpixel) , a PSB-file at approx 3.5GB, a multiresolution tour for upload at approx 150 MB. This is for one image only.
This is fine for outdoor panos, like this one http://www.rundskuer.no/krpano/vasskopphornet.html

Indoor this is overkill in my opinion. In any case you will need an XML-file for Papywizard import.

leifs

Last edited by leifs (2012-07-24 13:16:50)

Thank you all for you answer in such a quick notice, for sure it's helping me with my work! thank you and wish for you all the best.

Artisan S. wrote:

......and some hard labour for the HDR (tonemapping about 280 shots one by one takes time).......ooh, that would be nice........
Greetings, Ed

then add focusstacking for the lower half of the sphere

This is an example on focusstacking in a church. He did not do HDR.
http://www.kolor.com/forum/p55593-2009- … -19#p55593

leifs

Last edited by leifs (2012-07-24 16:10:18)

Artisan S. wrote:

. . . . and a 2.5 105 AIs (sharpest lens Nikon ever build according to some)......

I wouldn´t second that. It´s a very fine lens - but it´s not the sharpest one. I´m using with it for 25 years preferably for people close-ups. Here it´s definitely better not to have a razor-ssharp lens . .
But the sharpness of the 2,5/105 AIs is very fine, rather on the smooth side. I like it very much because of it´s "creamy" rendition.

best, Klaus

Last edited by klausesser (2012-07-24 20:00:33)

Artisan S. wrote:

at DOF master is also a iPhone/iPod touch version of the DOF calculator at hand.

Kodak´s Cinema-Tools for iPhone provides a very fine DOF calculator - among other very interesting tools.

best, Klaus

here´s a screenshot from my iPhone:

I would have saved you all that waffle... . No, I use Photomatix.. I have tried using apg so many times but it does not provide me with the output I want.. With a lot of stuffing about, it is possible but its not possible to transfer that data to batch process the rest of the panos taken at the same location.. To be honest, I am really disappointed with apg on the LDR and HDR output features. It pulls the software down so much.. If I was in kolor, I would be making the batch processing of LDR and HDR images a priority, all hands on deck... There is a real need for a Photomatix or EnfuseGUI process in apg.. The HDR Pro feature in Photoshop is good but does not batch process.. To be honest, I don't get it.. Most people are using bracketed images to capture their panos yet apg is sadly lacking in this feature..., yet the rest of the software is very powerful to industry standards and is something to be proud of..

My main issue at the moment are lager spaces where the fisheye is not the best, for caravans and real-estate its perfect on most occasions.. It really needs a 85mm etc to make the most out of larger spaces, as long as there are heaps of features of course or you are better of sticking with the fisheye. Not much point if is a bit plan. I will try again using my 50m, its a prime and beautiful but the last time I tried it, it was not that great.. I might have done something wrong.. I really want to capture the Antique Centre again, using more bracketed shots, set at a much lower ISO, and since there are many features I think it could look stunning.. As it is, many parts of my Antique Centre pano are very grainy and lack true detail.. but for what i had to work with, its not bad.... I think we need to be critcle of ourselvs in order to improve.. My D800 with 10.5 is ready to go with 5 and 9 bracketed shots, to test the difference but its time.. I don't have much of it...

Well Ed, thats my 50c of waffle..

Destiny...

Artisan S. wrote:

BTW Des....do you use Autopano to handle the HDR.......then don't........I tried it on my moddest machine and it gave me a 3 day headache of the migrane aura kind......then I read what Klaus (if I recall correctly) had said......first use a batch renderer in order to make the hdr-images.....then you have two options:

1) Use the HDR directly in Autopano......I haven't got a clue why but stitching goes well but antigosting goes well, not so verry well.....the nodal adapter keeps springing up into view (as a sort of shadow or even a lighter area) but only if I use a FE with a wider field of view.

2) Use a batch HDR -> LDR conversion......then thitch....that how my example was made.

I now use Picturenaut for HDRi (softer verry natural looking TM algoritms but no batch mode) when using the FE and Lumicance (harder algoritms for TM) when using the 18......but then I sometimes combine both......use Lumicance in batch mode for the multiple tiff -> hdr conversion and use Picturenaut (one by one) for the hdr -> tiff conversion.

Then APP/APG will handle even large shoots nicely. Now I have a PC with 8 Mg of ram of course......maybe an investment worth making Des.....youre Nikon D800 and a 2.5 105 AIs (sharpest lens Nikon ever build according to some)......and some hard labour for the HDR (tonemapping about 280 shots one by one takes time).......ooh, that would be nice........

Greetings, Ed

Last edited by Destiny (2012-07-24 23:17:55)